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What's Gone Wrong with Hollywood?
by RT Staff | August 10, 2005
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Universal Pictures distribution chief Nikki Rocco says the studio is going "back to the drawing board" following the box-office failure of the critically praised Cinderella Man.

In an interview with USA Today, Rocco remarked, "Good movies are supposed to buck this [downward] trend. You hear how it's all about the product, but we have an excellent movie that people just aren't turning out for. [The problem is] something bigger."

Meanwhile, New York Times media writer David Carr has blamed this year's slump at the box office on a tectonic shift in the industry that has increasingly seen filmmaking focused on "the wants and needs of 17-year-old boys on any given Saturday night."

In a feature article appearing today (Monday), the day after the critically reviled Dukes of Hazzard posted a $30-million opening at the box office, largely by attracting male teenagers, Carr wrote that he had interviewed several studio directors who declined to speak on the record but who "sounded less like masters of the universe than prisoners of the current paradigm."

In the article, Carr quoted David Thomson, author of The Whole Equation, A History of Hollywood, as saying, "In the same way that audiences have lost their taste for film, filmmakers have lost their passion. ... It is not surprising that some of the moguls are giving up as well. They are as depressed and tired of the business as the rest of us."

Carr concluded: "The people who built the current version of Hollywood did so by coming up with movies that people felt compelled to see -- not as a matter of marketing, but as a matter of taste. What was once magic, creating other worlds in darkened rooms, has become just one more revenue stream."

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Flim Springfield
Flim Springfield writes:
on Aug 10 2005 02:37 AM

[b]Movies Are Over-Marketed[/b]
By the time they finally come out, we're sick of hearing about them. I can't wait for Deuce Bigalow to open so I can stop seeing commercials for it. Sometimes less is more.

As for "Cinderella Man", the trailer almost put me to sleep. I couldn't imagine watching the movie.


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Twirlnhurl
Twirlnhurl writes:
on Aug 10 2005 04:05 AM

Cinderella Man was good, but I didn't see it because I wanted to. Who wants to see a movie called Cinderella Man? It sounds like a remake of that Jerry Lewis movie, Cinderfella.

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synergyred
synergyred writes:
on Aug 10 2005 04:56 AM

What's gone wrong? Commercials before movies, having to pay almost ten bucks to see a film (not inciuding food) or oh.... how about the fact that you can rent a movie for so much cheapter when it comes out on DVD only six months later?

Granted, the "box office slump" is do partially to the quality of movies that we've seen lately. You don't get too much orginality anymore. Everything seems to be based off of an old TV show, an old movie, a video game, a comic book. a novel... Combine that with the fact that going to the theater is not as praticial anymore and people are going to stop going.

Not to mention people's expectations seem to be too high. They'll spend hundrreds of thousands of dollars of super fancy special effects and expect those alone to attract people when their story is crap.


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Sadistik
Sadistik writes:
on Aug 10 2005 06:05 AM

not to mention the fact that Hollywood is completely bankrupt for original ideas, which explains the trend of butchering both classic American films or hacking recent Asian films (some no more than a year old).

Here's to hoping the trend stops before the Hollywood version of Oldboy starts filming (we can hope)


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halose7en
halose7en writes:
on Aug 10 2005 06:49 AM

It's sad that Hollywood has so little to offer anymore. If it's not a re-make of some TV show, it's a sequel that no one asked for (a la Miss Congeniality 2). I really hope that there's still some life left in the industry, because I'm about ready to stop going to the theaters all together.

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pota1967
pota1967 writes:
on Aug 10 2005 07:46 AM

Movies seem so disposable, here one week and gone the next. I remember years ago when you would see on the movie ad 8th BIG WEEK.
Here are some of the other problems in my opinion

1) Ticket prices are too high and I dont know about everyone else but the closest theatre is almost 20 miles away--and now gas prices are too hgih
2) All the annoying ads before the movie starts
3) lack of good movies--sure they will get Duece Bigalow European Gigalo but not the more independent ones that look interesting

Does anyone else have Bad Movie Phobia (BMP) I have seen one too many bad movies and have trepidation about seeing any more

I love my movie and tv dvds and am more than happy to just stay home


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South_park300
South_park300 writes:
on Aug 10 2005 08:12 AM

...and those f**king fantanas!

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Witless_Sod
Witless_Sod writes:
on Aug 10 2005 08:33 AM

[b]Cinderella Man is (partly) what's wrong with Holly[/b]
I couldn't help but find it ironic that the movie Cinderella Man is given as the example of what films should be. Ron Howard has been making the same schmaltz since the beginning of his career as a director. His films are NOT intelligent or, for the most part, even factually accurate. For example, Cinderella Man depicts Max Baer as a inhumane sadist. In reality, the two deaths he caused in the rings devastated Baer and, as a result, almost destroyed his career. When Baer fought against Nazi favorite Max Schmelling, he did so wearing the Star of David on his boxing trunks. Instead of being depicted as the person he was, or even a human being, Baer is villainized in pure Hollywood fashion. People may not know all the details surrounding the history of it all, but they can smell BS from a mile away, which is partly why Ron Howard's pretentious schmaltz received the commercial fate it deserved. I, for one, am ecstatic that Cinderella Man tanked and wish the same fate on all of Ron Howard's films: he's a hack director, technically adequate, but completely devoid of originality and whose feel-good films make me dry heave.

I also find it funny that Cinderella Man is given as a counterpoint to Douches of Hazzard. I don't want to defend this film: I'm certain that it sucks big time. However, both Dukes of Hazzard and Cinderella Man are symptomatic of the same problem in Hollywood. Neither is original: one is the movie spin-off of a "classic" TV series and the other, a formulaic film that you can see coming a mile away. Neither film is terribly intelligent or has a message to communicate: Dukes is a pure throwaway flick and Cinderella Man, although taking place during the Great Depression, merely uses the historical setting as a backdrop to tell an "uplifting" story. I'm not exactly thrilled to see that Douches of Has-beens is raking in 30$ million opening, but to cry foul when Cinderella Man tanked is either disinginuous or completely moronic.


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Prosper761
Prosper761 writes:
on Aug 10 2005 08:38 AM

"Cinderella Man" may have been a good film, but if no one cares about the subject matter, people just aren't going to go. I have absolutely no interest in watching a biography of a boxer I never of, in a film with an over-rated, blow-hard, asswipe star. Nor do I care see to see remakes of TV shows and movies that weren't very good to begin with.

And I agree, commercials at the movies make me crazy. Why should I pay $10.00 to sit through "those f**king fantanas" and every other awful thing I would zap through with my TiVo?

I love seeing a movie in a theatre, but I hate paying to see the crap that passes for movies these days.


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VML
VML writes:
on Aug 10 2005 09:01 AM

People, check out the latest issue of Entertainment Weekly. There's an article about why people are not watching movies anymore (hint: ticket prices, rude people, ads, and the movies itself).

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jsmccune
jsmccune writes:
on Aug 10 2005 09:11 AM

In reply to this comment (#824912)
Thanks for the backdrop on MB -- I despise the butchering of history for story continuity.

I don't think it's the ticket prices or gas prices -- tickets have risen with inflation and there are more theatres around now than ever before. It's just there's so much more to do.

Before, it used to be, let's go read a book, go to the bar (or barn, depending on your locale), or go to a movie. With the internet explosion, online gaming, and all the other in-house entertainment (aforementioned by others), what good is it to get up off the sofa or out of the recliner?

Hollywood doesn't need to just shift its attention, they need to reinvent themselves.


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Flim Springfield
Flim Springfield writes:
on Aug 10 2005 09:43 AM

[b]DVDs[/b]
I think DVDs are a reason for the "slump" as well. People seem to love them, I know a lot of people will buy movies on DVD before they've even seen them! I think people are staying home watching their collection, and waiting for the big movies to come out on DVD.


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grumblesa10
grumblesa10 writes:
on Aug 10 2005 10:31 AM

[b]"Hollywood" is basically outta touch[/b]
The declining ticket sales, MAY be due to the fact that the population as a whole is aging. IIRC, the average in the US''n'A is about 25-26; but movies are aimed at teenagers. Teens basically want to be entertained for 90-120 minutes: not that this is a bad thing. Movies ARE entertainment, first and foremost. But the chase of ever-more revenue-"Oh my God, this year is down 15% from last year"; and this makes NEWS- means quick, formulaic. I think the "surprise" (really only a surprise to the dolts in the biz) success of "Wedding Crashers" is because it appealed to the over-25 crowd. A real R-rated comedy, instead of pathetic PG-13 stuff. "We can't do anything R-rated because the sales won't be there."
Another issue is the use of focus-groups to determine future movies and rewrite/reshoot movies in the prodruction. Guess what? Teenagers will follow the crowd and the latest fads-ergo movies that look and act alike. No great industry analysis needed here. MST3K's Mike Nelson in his second book, made the case that these groups, NOT directors actually make movies.
Ticket prices are due to the higher and higher productions costs-read ridiculous star salaries, mean high rental costs for the theater and are passed on to us. Theaters actually make their money off concessions-which is why food/drink prices are also high.


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taran72
taran72 writes:
on Aug 10 2005 10:41 AM

[b]so many reasons already mentioned...[/b]
Cinderalla Man was a decent and predictable film, with great acting, just like most of Ron Howard's movies. I saw it, and yes it was painfully predictable.

There are some great articles on Slate that deal with the movie biz slump. Did you know studios spend on average $32mil for marketing, 90% for opening weekend only? That's because after they rake it in the first few days, they don't have to worry about bad word-of-mouth. Then studios can concentrate on DVD and TV synidcation, which is where the REAL profits are. It takes a lot more effort to get people into the theatres.


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nordak
nordak writes:
on Aug 10 2005 11:41 AM

In reply to this comment (#824911)
...and those f**king fantanas!

Posted 08/10/05 08:12:11 AM by South_park300

Every time I see this commercial I want to punch whoever is next to me in the groin. But seriously, more than anything I get pissed off that we have to sit through commercials before a movie. Next thing you know, there will be commercial 'interludes' for long movies.


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Segkee
Segkee writes:
on Aug 10 2005 11:54 AM

[b]I'll tell you what's gone wrong with Hollywood...[/b]
Nothing. Ticket prices suck. Food prices suck. But every once in a while it's fucking worth it. Movies are fantastic, even the bad ones. To think about the work and craft that goes into these suckers is mind blowing. I was tempted to go to the Dukes just to see Jessica Simpson in those shorts and I'm sure that's where the other 30 mil. came from. Advertisements? Who cares? Go buy popcorn or show up 25 minutes after your movie starts. Deal with it. These are the realities we have to suffer so that we can have our Batman Begins, our Wedding Crashers. I saw cinderella man in theatres and it was missing something, I have a feeling it was Jake LaMotta. That movie was pushed on us by critics and exectutives as the alternative to the summer blockbuster - it was the summer blockbuster, a movie with shitty dramatic interludes between fantastic action scenes. It was dumb, slow, and poorly marketed.

What Hollywood isn't getting is that audiences are intelligent, they want to be tested, and to think. But we're getting there. It's moving towards it. It has to. That's why there is nothing wrong with Hollywood. The slump is going to force change and if Hollywood is smart they will acquire and put time into more thoughtful, intelligent films whether they be comedy, action, or drama.

That's all.


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PepeLePhew
PepeLePhew writes:
on Aug 10 2005 12:18 PM

I totally agree with the above statements, but I find it very funny about how hollywood is making itself harder to save. In the past, Easy Rider came out, and changed the way films were made and marketed. Now, with our current generation of great directors, the film studios see much more worth in marketing the latest recycled shooting and running film than any of their artwork with powerful messages embedded.

Think about how much marketing some crap like The Island got, and then try to think about how much Reqieum for a Dream or Magnolia got. Aronofsky or Paul Thomas Anderson have the vision and talent to save hollywood from this drought, but unless they do what Hollywood wants, their films aren't marketed.


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Nemesis8704
Nemesis8704 writes:
on Aug 10 2005 01:42 PM

In reply to this comment (#824911)
i know, i hate that...

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tylerdurden0217
tylerdurden0217 writes:
on Aug 10 2005 01:59 PM

In reply to this comment (#824908)
[b]Whats with remaking good movies[/b]
Whats up with hollywood remaking classics, bad news bears, willy wonka, even pyscho? Why don't they take a crappy movie, lets waterworld, and remake that. It had a good idea for a movie but it sucked. Why not remake crappy movies into better ones?


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xavieric
xavieric writes:
on Aug 10 2005 02:10 PM

[b]What's Gone Wrong with Hollywood?[/b]
I'd like ask the execs at Sony Pictures, the guys who brought us Stealth.

I mean, honestly, would any one of us allow someone to pitch us a movie about an A.I. controlled stealth plane that goes postal and starts attacking its controllers. I don't even want to take the time to come up with a list of the movies that are based on the premise of "an advanced A.I. turning on its creators."


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