Sundance News: "Chicago 10" Disappoints; Dakota Fanning's "Hounddog" Violating Child Pornography Laws? "Crazy Love" Causes Bidding War
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Since the Sundance Film Festival started two days ago, three films have already drawn extra media attention. "Chicago 10," Brett Morgen's highly anticipated follow-up to "The Kid Stays in the Picture," disappointed critics; "Hounddog," starring Dakota Fanning, might face a child pornography violation; and "Crazy Love," with its wild and disturbing love story, generated a bidding war between indie distributors. What will the rest of the week bring? Back to Article
Since the Sundance Film Festival started two days ago, three films have already drawn extra media attention. "Chicago 10," Brett Morgen's highly anticipated follow-up to "The Kid Stays in the Picture," disappointed critics; "Hounddog," starring Dakota Fanning, might face a child pornography violation; and "Crazy Love," with its wild and disturbing love story, generated a bidding war between indie distributors. What will the rest of the week bring? Back to Article
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on Jan 21 2007 02:50 PM ha ha. you guys.. (Reply to this) |
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on Jan 21 2007 03:39 PM In reply to this comment (#853534) OK, We're getting a bit off topic here, let's try to keep the debate civil and intelligent and keep the liberal, conservative and Catholic bashing to a minimum since neither are really the issue here. The point I keep trying to make and people seem to keep missing is this. She may very well have made the choice, BUT SHE WAS 12 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME. SHE'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE OLD ENOUGH TO WATCH THIS MOVIE MUCH LESS STAR IN IT. IF there is something to this, even if it's not what is legally called child pornography and just a graphically depicted rape scene does anyone honestly believe a 12 year old is equipped to make an informed decision on this? My only hope is that she's not going to public school if this gets blown up into something big with the media. (Reply to this) |
on Jan 21 2007 04:42 PM If you put limits on certain subject matter, you're a censor and have no business discussing this among film enthusiasts. Kindly relocate to the american family association forums. If you're concerned about the set conditions, I don't believe there's been anything but speculation here. If you're smart, you'll do some research (would probably help to bring it to the table) or wait until there's more information. (Reply to this) |
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on Jan 21 2007 05:32 PM According to reports on the net, the scene shows Dakota from her neck up. She was also fully dressed in the scene. From the sounds of it, the rapist may be barely seen or not seen at all. However, of more concern is a scene in which she materbates with another actor. The scene is said to have been "conveniently" destroyed shortly afterwards. (Reply to this) |
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on Jan 21 2007 05:54 PM Further reports show that the parents were on set, as well as a child psychiatrist. That if Dakota felt, at any time, uncomfortable, they'd stop production. As for the issue at hand? Know that it is possible to show an ugly or horrific thing beautifully. It's called artistic expression. Well done war movies are the ones that find the humanity, the tragic irony in the throes of madness and chaos. You aren't supposed to leave those movies with a desire to kill and join the military (I'm talking of the artistic ones <-- not the propoganda). By the same token, anyone and everyone who 1: hasn't seen the movie and 2: doesn't realize or know the message of those who made the movie, should surely shut up. That said. I haven't seen it. Though I have read some articles about it and have some idea what the point is and how it was filmed (with the actresses mental state in mind) (Reply to this) |
on Jan 21 2007 09:18 PM In reply to this comment (#853539) Oh you are a fool, are you sure you are not 13? (Reply to this) |
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on Jan 21 2007 11:02 PM [b]Child porn? Give me a break![/b] Are they really going to attack a movie that is itself an attack on sexual assault and incest? (Reply to this) |
on Jan 22 2007 12:00 AM I know one of the producers on this film and the facts the poster above listed are correct. Dakota was fully dressed and bothe her mother and a psychiatrist were on set and it was a closed set. I'm seeing the movie Tuesday morning so I'll give a repot on what I see. What I find interesting is no one made this kind of fuss when "A Time to Kill" came out, which shows a graphic rape scene of a 10-year-old girl. Where was the Catholic League then? (Reply to this) |
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on Jan 22 2007 12:13 AM In reply to this comment (#853547) [b]"Where was the Catholic League then?"[/b] They couldn't imagine that she was white? (Reply to this) |
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on Jan 22 2007 12:21 AM In reply to this comment (#853547) Yeah god forbide people look out for little kids, fucking internet nerds, no wonder you guys have no friends, you are intolerant bigots. (Reply to this) |
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on Jan 22 2007 12:25 AM In reply to this comment (#853549) I'd just like to say... aknddon is calling people (Reply to this) |
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on Jan 22 2007 06:26 AM Yeah, it just wouldn't be a controversial topic without aknddon showing up to toss childish insults around like a whiny brat. Keep it real, man! (Reply to this) |
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on Jan 22 2007 06:50 AM Yeah, I love his assumptions that we have no friends, that we're all bigots, and my favorite is that we're all internet nerds when he is apparently on here as much as we are. Aknddon, please, please send us all a link where we can see a picture of you. I have this image in my mind and I want to see how close I am (not that you would ever send a real picture anyway) But back to the topic. I have no problem that anyone protecting kids. I think that's a great idea. And that was the point of my post, was that Dakota was protected at all times. But I also love the way religious organizations (and not just the Catholics, all of them) pick and choose what and when they want to protect. And I'm sorry, but kids now days are a lot more aware of things than perhaps we were as children. I'm sure Dakota is aware of what rape is. Is that a good thing? Probably not, but it's life in the 21st century. And I have no doubt the director (also a female) talked with her and her parents about the scene. I haven't seen the movie yet (as I said before) but my understanding is that everything about that scene is implied and not that graphic. Again, I'll know better once I've seen it and I'll let you know. (Although the premiere is tonight, so someone else will probably let us all in on it before I can) (Reply to this) |
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on Jan 22 2007 06:57 AM First of all anyone who will go see this film just to see Dakota Fanning get raped is a pervert. I don't think the director was at home thinking to himself Dakota is hot I want to see a scene of her naked so I can toss the Salad. I don't think that. I know she is 12. Anyone who is sane knows she is 12. Its a movie and from I read by the synopois a very sad one. Dakota is a 30 - 40 year old in a 12 year old body if you've seen her latest interviews, she is very mature for her age but I don't think anything more than that. I know she is Jail Bait, and any other Sane person know she is Jail Bait. . She is also very talented. But I don't think she'll end up like Britiany, Lidsney or the others. I think Her and her Parents can tell Fantasy from reality and I think the movie will do well. I won't see it because it looks too disturbing for me. But I'm sure all hype and talk about this will fizzle away and Dakota will go back to making something else. (Reply to this) |
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on Jan 22 2007 07:35 AM First, I'll say I don't believe for a second that anything actually physically happened on set. Too many people are present on a film production set for anything inappropriate (and illegal) like that to happen without getting out. I'm sure they'll find this to be the case. I'll say if I had a 12 year old daughter that was an actress, there's no way she would be involved with material like this, but the fact is I don't. It's the Fannings' call, distasteful as it may seem to others. Myself, I won't be seeing this. But that's just my own decision - everyone is free to make decisions for themselves as they see fit (it's just not how I want to be entertained). (Reply to this) |
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on Jan 22 2007 08:39 AM In reply to this comment (#853535) [b]wtf[/b] Worst analogy ever? How the hell did you go from acting to killing someone? Until the scene is actually shown I refuse to believe it breaks any laws. It's a movie, the directors wouldn't allow some actor, whether fake or not, to get a 12 year old naked on screen. Some of you people are crying as if it's really being done or something to this girl. Plenty of movies have had controversial or critical moments depicting stuff we're not used to seeing, I don't see how this is any different. (Reply to this) |
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on Jan 22 2007 09:30 AM In reply to this comment (#853552) I can honestly say I'm glad this was false, but I won't apologise for getting worked up over it. When we stop getting worked up over stuff like this is when mistakes start being made. I'd rather have 50 cases of crying wolf than to have one slip past. Same for any topic regardless of politics or religion. I do however find the grouping of all Catholics much less all religious groups or religious people under one heading quite silly. Catholics and religious folk come in all shapes, sizes and opinions just like Liberals, Conservatives and all people of various colors and creeds. Just because you don't agree with a certain persons point it's no excuse to stereotype the entire group. It's one of the things that ticks me off so much about people like Pat Robertson, Jesse Jackson or any of the talking news heads we have to view on 24 hour news. One person I don't care how self-riteous they are can't speak for an entire race, religious group or political affiliation and to give them that much credit and validate their delusions is a mistake, but then again that's just one mans opinion. (Reply to this) |
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on Jan 22 2007 09:34 AM [b]WTF!!![/b] is anything sacred or taboo anymore??? Who or how could anyone make a movie about child rape? whats wrong with poeple? (Reply to this) |
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on Jan 22 2007 11:32 AM [b]The truth about Child Pornography[/b] The New York v. Ferber case which established the child pornography laws was established to protect children that are ACTUALLY having sex on film. So-called 'virtual' or simulated sex is still debated as to whether it is illegal or not, as was seen in Ashcroft v. ACLU. While I haven't seen the film in question, it appears that it will NOT violate the New York v. Ferber laws because A.) the sex is not real, Ms. Fanning was not actually having sex on camera and therefore was not subjected to the child abuse that needs to be present in order for it to be illegal, and B.) the film seems to have artistic merit and is not exploitation. If this film is banned, we could easily go ahead and find legimate legislation to ban other, less threatening material such as documentaries or pamphlets about child abuse that have the intention of informing and educating soceity about the evil of this act. While I cannot be certain since I have not seen this "graphic scene", I would most likely assume that this is a movement from the far right to censor what should be protected under the First Amendment. (Reply to this) |
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on Jan 22 2007 11:43 AM In reply to this comment (#853558) Lets not call in the ACLU just yet :) Appreciate the legal knowledge, but so far it's just one guy who's the president of soem Catholic organization calling for the movie to be investigated. No one's burning books just yet. God I love how quick conspiracy theories start :) Seriously though thanks for the legal stuff. (Reply to this) |
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