Charlie Kaufman is one of Hollywood's most original thinkers, and his quirky, complex, thought provoking scripts have been the basis for some of the oddest -- and most strangely affecting -- films of recent years. Now, the wildly inventive screenwriter behind Being John Malkovich, Adaptation, and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (for which he won an Academy Award for Best Original Screenplay) turns to directing with Synecdoche, New York.
A complex, aching meditation on aging and the artistic process, Synecdoche stars Philip Seymour Hoffman stars as Caden Cotard, a theater director in upstate New York who, during a period of tension with his wife (Catherine Keener), works to mount a sprawling, wildly ambitious play that encompasses his life and the lives of virtually everyone around him -- often with multiple actors and actresses playing or standing in for other characters. Kaufman sat down with RT to discuss the nexus between art and life, the nature of autobiographical storytelling, and the process of staying true to one's vision.
What was the initial idea you had in creating Synecdoche, New York?
Charlie Kaufman: Spike Jonze and I were approached by Sony to do a horror movie. We talked about things that we thought were really scary in the world, as opposed to horror movie conventions. We talked about things like mortality and illness and time passing and loneliness and regret. We kinda went in with that, and we got assigned to go off and write it, and I spent a couple years trying to explore those notions, and that's what the movie is.
A lot of your writings deal with the juncture between art and life.
CK: In this case, and maybe in other cases, these are worlds that I know, so I utilize them. I think that people create the world that they live in. Your existence is very subjective, and you tell stories and organize the world outside of you into these stories to help you understand it. I don't think the world objectively exists the way we think it exists, you know? There's a constant sort of storytelling process. So in that sense, what Caden is doing in this movie is larger than the issue of the creative process in the arts. It's the creative process of existence. He's trying to sort through -- like everybody is -- his life, and trying to assign meaning to it, and aging in the process, and trying to deal with the issues that come up in his life, and trying to understand them.
Philip Seymour Hoffman as Caden Cotard in Synecdoche, New York.
How autobiographical are your scripts?
CK: I mean, I think they're autobiographical in that anything that anybody writes is autobiographical. You can't get away from it. The things that are of interest in this movie are things that are of interest to me. I'm not Caden Cotard. I'm not that person. But a lot of his concerns are my concerns, and I don't know how it could be otherwise. The alternative would be to write about things that don't interest me, which I don't think any writer does.
You've probably heard the whole "meta" label a million times at this point. Are you tired of it? Or is it something you strive for, to create films that work outside the way that other movies operate?
CK: I'm interested in trying to explore what I think is the truth at a given time in my life, and part of the process of being honest is -- in my mind -- talking about the idea that you're watching a movie. You're sitting here watching a movie. And I like that. It appeals to me intellectually, and also in a way I can't even explain. It tickles me, you know? It's always tickled me, and they're ideas I get excited by, and you go toward what you're excited by, I think, when you're writing. It's an intuitive process for me. People say, "Why John Malkovich in Being John Malkovich?" Well, because I thought it was funny, you know? And if you think something is funny, then there's some resonance there. You hope at some point when it goes out into the world that it resonates with other people, but really, the only gauge that you have is what you think. To not pander. As a writer, or as a filmmaker, you have to present yourself, and part of what yourself is is what you're interested in, or what you think is funny, or what you think is sad, or what you think is horrible.
How much is Nicolas Cage like the real you in Adaptation? One can't help but think about that when watching the movie...
CK: ...And I put that situation out there to be thought of because obviously I named him after me. On a very surface level, there are many things about what happened in that story that happened. I mean, I did get stuck writing this thing. I struggled in the way that he did. I came up with the idea to put myself in there. I do have, at different times, a certain kind of self-consciousness in the world, an insecurity. [But] once I was there with that world, I was free in my mind to make things up, and to blur the line, because that's interesting to me. So yeah, there are things, obviously, about the character of Charlie that aren't true. I don't have a twin brother, for example. It's a device. And once I came up with it as a device to give Charlie someone to talk to, because he's a writer living alone with no friends, then it excited me, because I thought, "Well, what if this opposite version of him decides that he wants to be a writer?" And then all of a sudden, all this other stuff opened up for me that was fun to think about.
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stevegilpin writes: on Oct 22 2008 01:49 PM Wow! I love this guy! Can't wait to see this movie. (Reply to this) |
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tomwaitsjr writes: on Oct 22 2008 01:53 PM Probably the best interview I've read RT do with someone. Kaufman gave great succinct responses. I'm actually not a huge fan of his, although most of my friends love him. "Eternal" was a little too good for my taste, the whole time I watched it I thought of a girl I broke up with that I hadn't. My mind during the whole movie was distracted by itself. Adaptation was a little too over the top for me, although the use of the orchid (right flower?) was great. I can't wait to see his pure vision come out as a director. I wish him well. I can understand the Lynch comparisons, but I don't really agree with them. Lynch isn't as linear, and much of what he does is incomprehensible without knowing other works. Lynch is also a hell of a lot more violent and upsetting, while Kaufman has great absurdist humor. Kaufman reminds me more of Beckett and Ionesco (sp?) then other American directors. Actually, if I had to choose a style of American visionary, I'd say Kaufman reminds me more of Gilliam. Again, great interview. (Reply to this) |
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wordweaver12 writes: on Oct 22 2008 02:25 PM Catherine Keener, please get an oscar for this role. It's long overdue! (Reply to this) |
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HiramMaxem writes: on Oct 22 2008 02:42 PM I really like the work of this guy, he's completely outside of the Hollywood-type of movies, yet he's able to work with and in Hollywood at the same time, much respect! He achieves not only hugely entertaining stories, but is able to provoke deep thoughts about the human/creative/condition as well, not an easy feat, and not one that is being pursuit as much anymore, not even by the American master Directors (Coppola, Scorsese, Spielberg, Malick) Creative voices like Kaufman%u2019s are rare and much appreciated. Great interview RT, thanks (Reply to this) |
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digitalrelic writes: on Oct 22 2008 03:02 PM tomwaitsjr, all Kaufman said is that he really likes David Lynch. He understands that Lynch's dreams(stories/imagery) is different than his own. (Reply to this) |
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tomwaitsjr writes: on Oct 22 2008 03:13 PM In reply to this comment (#2089715) Digital Relic, I know what he said. I was commenting that other people compare him with Lynch. (Reply to this) |
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Tim Ryan writes: on Oct 22 2008 03:14 PM In reply to this comment (#2089666) Thanks! (Reply to this) |
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jokerboy1991 writes: on Oct 22 2008 03:28 PM Kaufman is a great writer, I expect this to be great. (Reply to this) |
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vitajex writes: on Oct 22 2008 03:42 PM Charlie Kaufman is, without a doubt, THE absolute best "named" writer in Hollywood. No one else even comes close to delivering works that are as entertaining, original, inventive and incredibly thought-provoking. While so many are focused on gloss and hype, he is focused on creating works of art that transcend the medium of film. I think it's helped that his films have attracted attention from Michel Gondry (one of the most creative directors working today. Just watch his music videos- MINDBLOWING) and Spike Jonze (a very respectable director). It will be interesting to see if he is able to direct a film, but I have no doubt he can write a winner. And our grandchildren will hear his name mentioned in film history classes as often as we hear Orson Welles' name... (Reply to this) |
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cjjojay writes: on Oct 22 2008 03:43 PM I saw the film at the Austin Film Festival. The whole time I thought of how Lynch-ian it was. Much funnier than something from Lynch, but definitly in the same vein. This is by far the most dream like of his movies: it flows from conscious to sub-conscious without a hitch. I got to ask him a question, but it didn't come out of my mouth the same way it was in my mind. He kinda looked at me odd. Oh well, he ended up answering the question anyway. I got him to sign a movie ticket. If I had known I would be able to get his autograph I would have packed up DVD's with me. I got another odd look. I think I should consider myself lucky. Two odd looks from a screenwriting master! By the way, the film is very good. I haven't stoped thinking about it. It deffinitly will spark conversation. (Reply to this) |
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tomwaitsjr writes: on Oct 22 2008 04:13 PM By Austin Film Festival is that South by Southwest? (Reply to this) |
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cjjojay writes: on Oct 22 2008 04:28 PM No. South by Southwest is in the spring. Austin Film Fest is set up by the Austin Film Society. (Reply to this) |
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tomwaitsjr writes: on Oct 22 2008 04:55 PM cjjojay, Thanks for the clarification. I thought SXSW music festival is March, and thought film festival same time. I haven't seen an advanced screening since I saw 8 mile, wheras eminem actually showed up, in East Lansing. (Reply to this) |
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Alexcar writes: on Oct 22 2008 04:58 PM He's pretty much the smartest guy in the world. Great answers. (Reply to this) |
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Floor Man writes: on Oct 22 2008 05:18 PM Charlie Kaufman is a creatively innovative and articulate genius. I can't wait to see this; even if it's not the best reviewed film he's made/written, his inventive creations are always a pleasure to experience. Excellent interview! 'Nuff said. :) (Reply to this) |
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knowingtoast85 writes: on Oct 22 2008 05:19 PM In reply to this comment (#2089806) Any hack can come up with a weird, wacky idea you've never seen before in a movie. (A Robot Bear discovers he's not real and learns to drive a car so he can run over his creators. There's one off the top of my head.) Kaufman is among the unique voices who grounds every quirk and oddball turn of story in identifiable characters and interesting themes. Thus, he gets the acclaim. Fear not, hacks. Your robot bear ideas will make awesome internet shorts. (Reply to this) |
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tomwaitsjr writes: on Oct 22 2008 05:42 PM Actually, the new red alert game will have armored bears that shoot weapons. . . So your idea of Robot Bear may be stolen and show up in a film/video game. (Reply to this) |
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ledawg1138 writes: on Oct 22 2008 05:57 PM I've heard of all of theese. Haven't seen a single one. Damn me. (Reply to this) |
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finlayson_ma writes: on Oct 22 2008 06:51 PM I appreciate his honesty, but he should really watch 8 1/2 before he proceeds to his next directing project. The movies that he's written are hardly similar to those that David Lynch has directed. I am looking forward to Synecdoche. (Reply to this) |
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BowieSwimmer writes: on Oct 22 2008 08:03 PM I simply CANNOT wait for Synecdoche. It promises to be astounding... And Kaufman really is a modern movie genius. I just wish his movies were more appreciated by the general public, and not simply by movie fanatics. Quirky, bizarre, oddball... and at the same time in no way pretentious or heavy-handed. Wonderful. His work will be remembered for ages. Eternal Sunshine is my favorite movie of all time. Not only is it a beautifully surreal look at the concept at love, but it presents one of the most realistic on-screen relationships ever. If you've never seen a Kaufman, check out all of his stuff. As soon as possible. This interview is perfect. Damn, I just can't get enough of this guy. Wonderful. (Reply to this) |
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