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Terminator 4 Plot Details Leaked!

by Jeff Giles | December 20, 2007

Summary

After the comparatively lackluster T3: Rise of the Machines, more than a few people left the Terminator series for dead -- but as it turns out, the franchise may just be catching its second wind. Back to Article

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frogleg writes:
on Dec 20 2007 05:41 AM

Bale just punched this up several notches on a lot of people's radars, I bet.

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Novastar. writes:
on Dec 20 2007 05:43 AM

Let's hope McG can pull this off? I have my doubts,but as you said...Let's hope!

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Comment writes:
on Dec 20 2007 05:48 AM

Would not of expected Bale...this guy must be rolling in cash with all the work he is doing.

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jasperoosterveld writes:
on Dec 20 2007 05:50 AM

"Now that everyone's excited about T4"

What are you talking about? I ****ing despise this whole movie and the further destruction of the Terminator name.

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Mr. Bowler writes:
on Dec 20 2007 05:55 AM

Hope they don't try and make it just a bunch of action sequences followed by corny speeches. That's what set T2 apart from the rest of the franchise, and it would be good if they tried to pull that off again.

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Gimy writes:
on Dec 20 2007 06:12 AM

Comment...he's not a $, or fame guy...but i bet he makes a crapload from action figures, the vid games and such just from Batman alone.

i actually think this COULD be frikkin awesome. T2 sucked because it didn't have a decent screen presence(T2 had two great terminators). now there's bale, plus it should be action packed. i think this could revive the franchise better than people think. but...it has to be executed well. if its sh3t and the cgi is laughable...nobody, not even bale...could save it. i highly doubt that'll happen though

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monsterofmud writes:
on Dec 20 2007 06:34 AM

Are you kidding?! T3 was the best entry in the series, and there are a lot of fans that wholly support it.

That said, bring on the 4th!

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dahluzz writes:
on Dec 20 2007 06:49 AM

In reply to this comment (#1377660)
I will be shocked if one single person agrees with that statement today. that's just idiocy, plain and simple.

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southwick writes:
on Dec 20 2007 06:59 AM

I actually like what they did with the Terminator story in the last one.
The choice to show that the war was inevitable, and that Sarah Conner had been unable to prevent our destruction, in my opinion was a good one.

Unfortunately the movie was bad, and what could have ultimately been a great continuation of the franchise may have destroyed it.

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bamb0o-stick writes:
on Dec 20 2007 07:10 AM

The assassin/protector formula is really getting old in this movie franchise. I guess moving the story towards the Judgment Day time line might prove interesting. I definitely would have never seen Bale as the role of John Connor, still skeptical of it being good though.

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volid writes:
on Dec 20 2007 07:16 AM

Sounds lame ...

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AlbertBrodsky writes:
on Dec 20 2007 08:04 AM

In reply to this comment (#1377660)
Monster, I know we all have a right to our own opinion, but yours is clearly wrong. Please don't comment about Terminator ever again.

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jasperoosterveld writes:
on Dec 20 2007 08:06 AM

"T3 was the best entry in the series"
Are you mental?

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chaddukes writes:
on Dec 20 2007 08:07 AM

would have prefered if he played the Terminator. He is a stellar villian, I hope he goes back to his roots eventually.

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blank blank writes:
on Dec 20 2007 08:21 AM

even though T2 gets all the love (deservedly so, it is an iconic movie), i really think T1 is the best. Sure, i hasnt aged as well as T2 because of its 80s cheesiness at the night club, but when ahhnold goes into the police station, and the ending... BAD ***.

T3 just didnt have that "bad ***-ness"... if i were directing this movie, i would seriously consider having as little CGI as possible. sure you need it for the big sequences, but just hire stan winston and watch him do his thing.

bale has never really been the stereotypical villain (in american psycho he kills people, but that doesnt make him a villain).... unless you count shaft. i think he is perfect for connor. after bumbling stahl and kid furlong, we need someone with michael beihn (sp?) toughness...

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stevegilpin writes:
on Dec 20 2007 08:29 AM

Anyone who thinks Terminator 3 was the best in the series is just plain wrong...I'm sorry, but you're wrong. I'm a little disappointed in Christian Bale for getting involved with this, because it probably will not be very good.
I'm a huge fan of The Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgment Day. I think the story ends after part two.

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lonechicken writes:
on Dec 20 2007 09:00 AM

I liked T3 and thought it was good (hey, the 71% tomato rating agrees). I've always liked Jonathan Mastow, Claire Danes, and Nick Stahl who always brings his A game ever since he was a kid actor. I really liked how the bad guys won (more or less) at the end. A ballsy ending.

But, T2 was just better.

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Blade501 writes:
on Dec 20 2007 09:41 AM

The third terminator film did what it was meant to do: close a serious problem that the more iconic films presented. Representing time.

First film. Dated but classic. Time is closed loop. Inevitable end.

Second film. My personal favorite. Time, however, is now an open loop. Holy hell! We can CHANGE THE FUTURE! BLECH

Cameron, as good as he was, seriously mucked up his own mythology. The third film, inside jokes, bad acting and ridiculous sequences, brought about a necessary end to the trilogy. And for that, I believe it was underrated as a sequel installment and all you haters need to realize that even your God Cameron made a HUGE mistake with his own story.

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DON OF THE D.E.D writes:
on Dec 20 2007 10:18 AM

I saw T-3 in the theatre. What a vile p.o.s of a movie it was. This movie was not good. Where were the war scenes between the humans and machines? You could see them from a distance through the windows of the building that the characters were in. How lame!!!! Why in the world have we not seen more of this in the terminator movies. Yes there were some, but in T-3, what a joke. this movie utterly sucked. Maybe the bikini bandits should have made an appearance and used the goldenrod to restore peace between man and machine!! T-3 a good movie.... yeah, when you need a video tape to start a fire!!

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Orangecinema writes:
on Dec 20 2007 10:48 AM

mcg the fact that conner will be a secondary character the guy who wrote catwoman = a big ****ing disappointment.

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Elixor writes:
on Dec 20 2007 10:50 AM

I completely agree with Blade501 and southwick. T3 has a good story and helps clear up some of the time mythology problems that T2 presented, although not completely. Granted T3 isn't as bad *** as T1 and T2, but from a story standpoint was completely valid and interesting.

I can't see how anyone can claim that T2 is a valid end to the series unless you don't care about the story making sense. You could end the series after T1 and it all can make sense with a single timeline theory, but once you throw T2 into the mix, there's too many questions. One good one would be how does Cyberdyne know that the first attempt failed? When everything doesn't magically change around it (wouldn't make sense)? If you go with a multiple timeline theory, then Cyberdyne doesn't care about its own timeline, because it can't change it, it just wants to create a new timeline where the machines win. What's the point of that? If that's the case, it still doesn't know that the first attempt failed. T2 also makes the assumption that the first Terminator causes Cyberdyne to be created, which creates other problems. My point being that T2 presents more problems to the storyline than it solves and doesn't make a good end to the series.

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Gimy writes:
on Dec 20 2007 11:11 AM

i'll just add this in because i haven't read it on here but, if you Bale fans think this is a might-be-bad decision...you should hear that he is going to be in a...gulp...vomit...urgh...uwe boll flick soon. never heard of the video game but, its solid snake. anything Boll does is absolute horsesh3t...so i'm a little worried about bale as of now. odd thing is, the chic who played the terminator(3rd one, and did a sh3t job) also starred in Bloodrayne(beyond horrible movie)...so there's a connection

i know in the 3rd flick they were ALL about a chic terminator and how she was more dangerous, could blend in better...blah blah blah but...if they do that in 4, a good casting choice would be Maggie Q. she has that cold heartless look down pat...

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cooperbob writes:
on Dec 20 2007 11:12 AM

love the first one, hated the second one so much i couldn't even muster the energy to watch the third. christian bale is awesome, i was about to say i'd have to go check it out, but then i read "McG" was directing. never mind. even Bale isn't enough to make me want to go now.

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nathanpoitras writes:
on Dec 20 2007 11:33 AM

I'm looking forward to it, but why McG of all people? What, was every other single director in Hollywood busy? Even Ratner would have been a better choice for this one!

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dragoneye writes:
on Dec 20 2007 11:56 AM

I watched the original Terminator at the movies when I was 14, a claim most of the people who post comments on this board cannot make. It is built of much a point of philosophy of man against machine that Isaac Asimov realized as did Fritz Lang with Metropolis. Terminator 2 was a great movie, but had many problems with continuity across the board (time travel with the T-1000 terminator, etc.) as there were problems with the cast namely Edward Furlong as John. It capitalized on the fascination of the first movie made on a paltry budget of $6-$10 million making in the end over $40 million at the box office. The third movie was a good movie and did a fantastic job of wrapping up many of the issues the other movies ignored, where the Terminator 2 was just a rehash with the same story and plot lines as the original Terminator, Terminator 3 was much different not just due to James Cameron's departure from the series. A restart is greatly needed and will be justified in the end. I don't think McG is the right man for the job, but there were nay sayers when Spielberg signed on for Jaws when his only movie to date was the Richard Matheson written 'Duel' which was made for TV. I hope they do have a good bad *** guy like a Riddick in the movie and not such a unaccepting puss like Edward Furlong or Nick Stahl represented.

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Exode writes:
on Dec 20 2007 12:01 PM

In reply to this comment (#1378950)
Seems you've been out of the loop a while, it was confirmed that, him, I don't like to mention his name, would not be responsible in any way for Metal Gear Solid's creation. Bale is also just a rumored actor for the film, far from a guarentee.

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dahluzz writes:
on Dec 20 2007 12:13 PM

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i don't really know about the movie, but solid snake was the main character in the metal gear solid games for playstation. oh, just looked it up on imdb. guess they made a game called 'solid snake' about terrorists taking over a nuclear facility or something. ew boll is an abomination as a filmmaker, but those metal gear games are fly. if it wasn't him directing this would sound kind of cool for bale.

see gimy, i told you a couple weeks ago bale was getting overexposed. now it's just franchise this and franchise that.

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SirEradan writes:
on Dec 20 2007 12:30 PM

"A big aspect of the story is the degrees of difference between a human and a Terminator. By which I mean cyborgs. By which I mean human brains in robot bodies."

Obviously Terminator has now around been for a long time but it looks like these guys are starting to draw even more from Battlestar Galactica (the new series) than the original films did with the old one.

Come on, McG. Just do a Terminator-Matrix crossover and make the Battlestar rehash complete.

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quietus28 writes:
on Dec 20 2007 12:36 PM

This has sounded terrible from the start. Christian Bale's inclusion doesn't help much, either. Regardless of how good he is, it doesn't mean he always picks out winners to star in. Reign of Fire, anyone?

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lpbreeze writes:
on Dec 20 2007 12:39 PM

I really don't have any urge to see T4 and I'm not impressed at all with the talent behind the film. I can see how some people would say T1 is better than T2 but go back to Alvin and the Chimpmunks if you think T3 is a great film. It is worth seeing on dvd and thats it.

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quietus28 writes:
on Dec 20 2007 12:45 PM

In reply to this comment (#1378924)
I agree with Elixor, T2 just messed up the story. I felt like I was the only one who hated it. Sure, the action and special effects were great, but it was impossible to get into the story because if John Conner's death changed the future, why should I care about the kid, especially when he's played annoyingly by Edward Furlong? Kill the kid, save the human race. With the kid dead, there's no reason to send Terminators back to kill him, thus the technology for creating Terminators would never be used by the company that developed the evil supercomputer. Besides, if you changed the future so the Terminators never existed, the kid wouldn't exist anyway, because there wouldn't be the time travel technology, nor the need to send his daddy back to seed him. Two birds, one stone.

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rle4lunch writes:
on Dec 20 2007 01:39 PM

meh.

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Hurts2Watch writes:
on Dec 20 2007 03:34 PM

-"Marcus is a bad *** - think along the lines of Riddick"

-"there is a butt busting female character by the name of Blair"

These two lines scare me. First of all, the over-the-top invincible hero type...a la Riddick... just sucks. Its a watered down, undramatic character type that gets used more and more these days. These guys make everything seem like a mountain dew commercial.

Secondly, butt busting females are almost ALWAYS done wrong. I'll not be surprised if T4 falls into the same old cliche of the uber-hot, cute-but-tough, 100LBS-but-wielding-a-.50Cal-Desert-Eagle, character. What ever happened to just using a believably attractive and GOOD ACTING person like Sigourney Weaver as a heroine? Why the mega sexy overtones? Its just so lazy, they dont want to deal with adding in a sexy character AND a tough character so they just combine them! Yay, good idea...lets just put our hamburgers and cokes in the f-ing blender so we can gulp it down easier, idiots. And who falls for this crap?! How do you live with yourselves letting them treat you like cinematic invalids?! Why would someone positively reinforce that kind of treatment?? Are you high or do you hate yourselves or something?? Its pathetic.

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Crusader07 writes:
on Dec 20 2007 04:12 PM

Screw T3. They should of just skipped over T3 and made this new thing they're doing... It would've saved lots of people the heartbeak.

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South Texas Terror writes:
on Dec 20 2007 04:16 PM

T1 is the definition of a classic movie. T4 needs less bad CGI like T3 and more rubber face and red light bulb eyes like the original.

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Brad 3000 writes:
on Dec 20 2007 04:38 PM

The way I rank em - T1, easily the best, T3 comes in second, and T2 is in last place by a good margin - it has some great sequences but overall it has not aged well, certain sections drag like crazy and Edward Furlong's performance is spectacularly bad.

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elmokajaky writes:
on Dec 20 2007 07:27 PM

Catwoman was nowhere near as bad as it's made out to be...and T3 was pretty fun.

Bring on T4!

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reyes writes:
on Dec 20 2007 07:29 PM

MY childhood, where has it gone. I need to bar myself from the world so i cant watch my childhood be burned from this movie.

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phell writes:
on Dec 20 2007 07:56 PM

Christian Bale should file criminal charges against his agent. A talented actor, and all that popular goodwill from Batman du jour...all to be undone with this inevitable McG turd. I hope the paycheck is worth it.

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TheIceGhost writes:
on Dec 20 2007 09:45 PM

I've talked about this many times before on these boards. Why T3 was valid, why I think this new TV show is a step back, why I "don't" (yes, don't) like Bale as Conner (and to clear it up, not because I think Bale is "above this"), why this new trilogy is entirely worthwhile and not a simple money grabber and why I fully support this revamp (though I too wish there were more able-bodied people on board).

I've talked about all that, and quite frankly I'm sick of typing up the same stuff every other day. So I simply say this:

If you think T2 was the end of the story, then please explain how the events of the first Terminator even happened! For example, HOW THE HECK IS JOHN CONNER ALIVE IF THEY PREVENTED THE WAR IN T2?!

Judgment Day was inevitable, T3 wasn't a waste of time, and the kiddies or old farts out there saying different either aren't very smart, or aren't Terminator fans. Simple as that.

Make love, not Warcraft. :)

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a_sad_un-sorry_hashbrown writes:
on Dec 20 2007 10:32 PM

This sounds surprisingly awesome.

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thereign writes:
on Dec 20 2007 10:47 PM

IceGhost: It's really stupid to insult the fans of T2 like that, who have valid opinions regarding that movie, just like the ones you're entitled to for T3. This falls into the same category as those who hate Daniel Craig as the new Bond and those who love him, each camp proclaiming the other to not be "true fans" of the series.

In MY opinion, T3 was simply a waste of time. It was obviously made for money, and nothing but. Nick Stahl as Connor sucked 80 miles of balls, far worse than Ed Furlong any day of the week. If you want to complain about logic, complain about how the director pretty much completely ignored every last thing that Cameron instilled in his two films about HOW the war between Skynet and the human race began, and the laziness of the art production department in coming up with HK designs 90% similar to those in the first movie, when they should have looked far more like PROTOTYPES. HK's are supposed to be flying devices BUILT BY SKYNET--NOT humans. If the TX was so far advanced than Schwarzenegger's character, would he really be able to dump a super-advanced virus with just a simple reboot? Also, at the end of the film, John Connor is still nowhere near being this great military leader he's supposed to become(lack of character development)...so why in the flying hell would ANYONE in the actual military even listen to him? THIS WIMP is the guy who's supposed to crawl out of the ashes, gather humanity together and say "Hey, we're still here, and we will not go quietly into the darkness of extiction like these metal motherf***ers want us to"?? At least Furlong showed a spark of the heroism--or at least the craftiness--Connor is supposed to exhibit.

Judgment Day wasn't supposed to be inevitable, which was the ENTIRE POINT of Terminators 1 & 2--that HUMANS decide their own fate, no matter the odds. What Schwarzenegger should have said when he encountered Stahl in T3 was "My need to collect another paycheck was inevitable!"

Just like the director of Alien 3 totally mucked up every last good intention Cameron had brought to the fans with Aliens, so did T3's director spoil that grace. T3 sucked donkey nuts...that's life.

And again, just my opinion, dude.

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jacog writes:
on Dec 21 2007 01:21 AM

Agreed on all points.

Next!

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sistrunk writes:
on Dec 21 2007 04:06 AM

I'm a little concerned about "Marcus" being the central character. It's not a good idea to take the focus of the main guy Conner. I mean, he's the reason the story exists. This concerns me.

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peoplesicon8 writes:
on Dec 21 2007 05:40 AM

What the hell are they thinkin???? BRING ON ROBOCOP VS TERMINATOR!!!!

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Gimy writes:
on Dec 21 2007 05:54 AM

about bale and uwe boll's flick...dude i JUST started reading that so maybe i am out of the loop. sorry, but again...thats been on sites and mags for the past week or so like its picking up steam. it sounds like they're coming into a plan to start shooting, so maybe they already made the decision between the two. just going by what i read on multiple sources dude. ok, i just looked it up and apparently its been a rumor for 2 years so i don't know what the deal is. still, thats cause for concern if my boy does a movie with that sh3thead. he's like Lucas, NOBODY(mcgregor not included) looks good in his movies. NOBODY.

i'm sorry but, am i the only one who sees this as an action flick?? its a blockbuster, its not Shakespeare guys. if it has plot holes, BIG DEAL. quit being so anal retentive about that kinda stuff and just sit back, eat your d3mn popcorn...and enjoy the movie. if its filled with cool stunts, good acting...and a decent story...thats fine by me. its based on time travel, that in itself f3cked up the first movie. why not send back a Terminator that looks like Connor's parents, or a relative she trusts so she's easier to kill? "hello Sarah...it is your Uncle Arnie...give me a hug."(hug ensues, stabs her). woo, that was difficult. there are a million things that make it kinda stupid but why keep obsessing, just enjoy the d3mn flick

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Landshark writes:
on Dec 21 2007 10:58 AM

T3 wasn't a bad movie (Godfather Part III wasn't either), it just wasn't as good as the previous two installments.

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Wedgewenis writes:
on Dec 21 2007 01:49 PM

In reply to this comment (#1377909)
jasperoosterveld is right T3 was a ****ing joke

my brother and his friend laughed-at the movie the whole way through and then spent about an hour afterwards making fun of how retarded it was ....

I wish I could have gotten the same amusement .. I forced myself to try watching it reluctantly a few years after the release.... I lost interest about half-way through

its pretty bad when any hope of a decent movie is squashed in the first 5 minutes and continues to go futher down the toilet with each passting scene....

These people are ****ing idiots, we have people starving in this world and they get license to spend millions on ****... plain and simple fokes. These movies are **** and its sad that people pay money for **** ... if your going to waste millions of dollars atleast make something that has some artistic merrit.

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theunrulyone writes:
on Dec 21 2007 05:56 PM

This does sound lame, like connor's going to have to take down some humans to get them to work against the machines. That would be fine, if it were the first ten minutes cause then you could get to the resistance v the machines right quick and give us what we want to see. And there better be a central female character in the movie, as the Terminator series (even the abhorrent third one) has always had strong female leads and presences. I do like that we'll get to see the rubber skin cyborgs, but this movie is going to suck grapefruits.

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Cupcakemafia writes:
on Dec 21 2007 09:31 PM

I like the riddick movie...
and the 3rd terminator..
i dont see why lots of peoples are complaining.

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RustedSoul writes:
on Dec 22 2007 09:12 AM

In reply to this comment (#1377939)
"bale has never really been the stereotypical villain (in american psycho he kills people, but that doesnt make him a villain).... "

Bale really didn't kill anyone in American Psycho... I thought at the end of the film you see that he was only writing and drawing on his note-pad about killing people. At least thats the impression I got, that he had lost his mind being a corporate suck-up.

I digress, this installment might be good if the script is good, directing is good, FX is good and the acting is good. IF only one of those sux then it will defeat the purpose of the whole movie, reviving a dying franchise.

IRONICALLY THOUGH, Bale revived BATMAN with Nolan , lets just cross our collective fingers, HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL and PEACE, R.S.

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GelflingJen writes:
on Dec 22 2007 08:51 PM

Bale in this movie must be a publicity stunt. He will pull out or deny that he was ever involved and then the movie will blow. It will blow just as bad at T3. Whoever says that was good movie are the type that think National Treasure is a great movie. Basically oblivious.

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Dave the Destroyer writes:
on Dec 23 2007 10:36 AM

McG?! Why don't the producers suck up to Uwe Boll? Now THERE'S a guy with VISION.....

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2.35:1 writes:
on Dec 24 2007 10:37 AM

There absolutely CANNOT be ANY Terminators like those mentioned in T1 and T2. Here' why--

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?t=587733

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GallataJack writes:
on Dec 24 2007 12:01 PM

Given that I was almost in tears after Terminator 3 and my buddies were laughing at how badly made the movie was, I can't believe that I'm starting to get psyched up about more Terminator action. At first when the bus went by with an ad for Sarah Connor Chronicles I said hmmm...naah. Now Bale stepped in. They've got my attention. Lots of machine carnage in the post apocalyptic world? Reese is back. My foot is starting to beat the oh-so-familiar Terminator Tatoo -
Dum-Dum Dum Dum-Dum. Fingers crossed, "There's no fate but what we make for ourselves". THAT GOES FOR MOVIES TOO MCG!!!!

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TVNerd95 writes:
on Dec 24 2007 02:01 PM

I'm looking forward to this because I love Christian Bale and have enjoyed all of the Terminator movies. McG is an interesting choice but he produces Supernatual and I like it so WTH -- I'll give it a shot.

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akatsuki writes:
on Dec 25 2007 02:28 AM

When T3 is put beside T1 and T2, it is just plain reduntant. T3 was really horrible without James Cameron's direction. Christan Bale? It was a real surprise.Hope that T4 will be better than T3! Hordes of Terminators and Humans facing off will be very interesting. Cyborgs! which side will they be on?

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trsisko writes:
on Dec 25 2007 11:10 AM

T3 is rubbish remember its a third party film no James Cameron
end of thread

btw you guys have no clue T1 was no.1 purely cos its pure bad *** and to be honest quite damn scary.
T2 was great but arnold being political not wanting to play a bad guy again he obviously got them to change the plot even though its feesable its still a change to the terminator and t3 is just sucky

end of thread this time

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pacers3115 writes:
on Jan 11 2008 01:41 PM

T3 WAS TERRIBLE, which may ruined the series..... it will be difficult for T4 to turn this around. Oh and I hate the fact that they always have to add in the "hot tough bad *** chick" in these movies; they did in T3 and it seems like they will in T4 from this article, and The women playing a terminator was one of the worst parts of T3 apart from its other mistakes... i hope Bale turns it down..... and if he doesnt i hope that they dont ruin this film and mess up his streak of awesome films... (although harsh times kinda did that...)

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Headpak writes:
on Jan 13 2008 09:05 AM

In reply to this comment (#1381877)
"why not send back a Terminator that looks like Connor's parents, or a relative she trusts so she's easier to kill?" That speaks to why T1 was such a great script - Cameron actually thought about problems like that and answered them in the script. On arrival the terminator doesn't know which Sarah Connor he has to kill; that's why it has to go through the phone book killing Sarah Connors in series. Obviously the terminator could not mimic Connor's parents if it didn't even know which Sarah Connor was the target.

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ImMoeGreen writes:
on Jan 15 2008 07:30 PM

Sounds like the plot line to Gears of War. Does anyone see that, or is it me??

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ImMoeGreen writes:
on Jan 15 2008 07:46 PM

Also, there is a Gears of War movie supposedly being planned or is in some stage of production, I don't remember exactly, but two movies going into production about a post apocalyptic bad-*** named Marcus sounds too questionable to me, especially considering both of these titles, Terminator and Gears of War, are giant franchise names that have a lot to live up to, so I don't think they want to be unoriginal, maybe i'm going nuts here but does anyone else see this???

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jrdamwijk writes:
on Jan 16 2008 01:01 PM

I was already excited about Terminator 4. Terminator 3 was not lackluster by any means, sure, it felt different, it didnt feel like James Cameron's movies, because, guess what? It wasnt. It should have felt different while still retaining the Terminator feel in ways and furthering the plot, which it did, and did well. Yes, the whole "no fate but what we make" was sort of put away, but that added to it if you ask me. That ending, when he realizes he cant really fight just where he was supposed to be going in the scheme of things, was dark, intriguing, and setup future movies perfectly.

And anyone who actually claims T3 is "horrible", or "one of the worst films ever!", is just ridiculous. Stop comparing it to T2 or T1, it isnt going to feel exactly like the work of another directors no matter how you try, and thats good. But it had some amazing action scenes and definitely had some intriguing story there to be found.

And, I must add, just because someone feels that T3 is the best film in the series, how about instead of being fanboys we actually consider why he feels this way, and maybe ask about it? I really do disagree, T2 is still my favorite, but T3 did have a distinct flavor and like others said, a fairly "Ballsy" ending indeed. It wasnt your typical lets prevent the future plotline there at the end and I think its better for it.

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Siler_117 writes:
on Jan 26 2008 02:37 PM

Look, all the terminator movies where good, espciecally the 2nd...the first was pretty ground breaking for it's time, the third was action packed and showed no matter how hard they tried Judgement Day was going to happen...now if Christian Bale is going to sign on to do this project I have faith in it. He's a man who dedicates himself to a role...even if the movie sucks, you can usually walk out and be impressed with Bale's preformance...It's nice to actual see the future instead of terminators appearing in the past and trying to kill him...that could have gotten old quick.

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thepizzaguy writes:
on Feb 13 2008 01:43 AM

Without sounding too foolish, I sent a set of outlines to the Governor of California. A few of the ideas seems to have stuck in one way or another.

#1 "The Future Begins"
#2 "This is where the factory will be." I pictured it as a clean and sterile environment with "blanks" ready to be programmed. Like a lab with white walls and all that jazz.

I didn;t save the outlines, but I can reproduce a section of them.

T4 opens with John Conner in this laboratory working on terminators. He has become obcessed knowing he's going to be killed and will do anything to prevent it. The bunker, lab or factory gets attacked by the machines. A terminator is sent back to the past to retrieve JC from the bunker her was stashed in at the end of T3. The plot is now a chase as the machine try to kill JC. The movie or my trillogy ends with JC getting crushed by the terminator in an accident just as the terminator destroys the main power station for the machines. JC's death is an accident, and the terminator is sorry.

As for all these freaking epic battle sequences in all the big movies. I'm sick of them. It's time to go back to acting.

I really like the FOX series. It's been pretty good. Confusing, but good.

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sean11690 writes:
on Mar 02 2008 02:11 PM

I agree that t3 was not a very good movie, but given this one a chance! I kind of like the idea that conner will not be a main character. This could keep the films from becoming stagnant!

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hardcorr writes:
on Mar 20 2008 04:56 PM

Firstly, I thought Terminator 3 was pretty good, and can't understand what people have against it.

I wish McG didn't have his hands on T4. He is rather lame, style over substance oriented, so let's hope that he's improved somewhat from the dismally awful Charlie's Angels movies.

It's great that Christian Bale is involved as he's a great actor who can bring a lot to the part. John Connor, after all he's been through in his life, is gonna be a very complex character, which will necessitate someone as talented and dedicated as Bale.

But then, why put Bale in the back seat?

I guess as long as there's lots of explosions, scantily clad women, and a happy ending, the American audience will be happy!

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T4SucksAlready writes:
on Mar 22 2008 03:42 PM

Just let the fans take over. Why wait 28 months for distribution and franchise issues when the end result is complete garbage anyway. Save the $11.00 on the movie ticket in May 2209.

http://www.neverendingpictures.com/

I found this whe researching some of the "unknown" actors of T4.

Arnie in a Wheelchair with Mini-guns and a rocket-launchers and laser-sighting. Stay tuned for Terminator 7.

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T4SucksAlready writes:
on Mar 22 2008 03:44 PM

Just let the fans take over. Why wait 28 months for distribution and franchise issues when the end result is complete garbage anyway. Save the $11.00 on the movie ticket in May 2209.

http://www.neverendingpictures.com/

I found this whe researching some of the "unknown" actors of T4.

Arnie in a Wheelchair with Mini-guns and a rocket-launchers and laser-sighting. Stay tuned for Terminator 7.

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eltouche writes:
on Jun 02 2008 07:51 PM

T1 was the best... It created the mythos and story arch for the entire series. That is kind of important, you know. You just have to accept the special effects for what they.

T2 was like Aliens... focus on bigger, stronger, more action ect. Lacked the creativity of the original, but made up for it by upping the *** kicking ratio. The cgi holds up, but always had a problem with furlong.

T3 was alright... hey, they could have done worse. Think of the movie franchises that make it the third. Most, are a letdown... it was entertaining and diverting but nothing to remember. If the series continues for even more installments, it will work as a nice bridge.

T4... Sounds interesting enough. An actor to lend legit consideration and an interesting idea. It really depends on the script... I am sure I will put My money down

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pacers3115 writes:
on Jun 03 2008 01:14 PM

i dont understand why anton yelchin is getting cast in this AND IN F****** STAR TREK!!!!! and in a smaller scale movie called New York I Love You... it is bull crap...

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pacers3115 writes:
on Jun 03 2008 01:30 PM

i mean reese is supposed to be a soldier.... YELCHIN WAS THE B**** KID WHO GOT CAPPED IN that stupid alpha dogs movie. Also the writers are from CATWOMAN, quite possibly one of the worst movies ever, and the director has noooo credibility. I hope Bale is able to save this film.... Also i hope he can save the shaky, unsure looking Killing Pablo (only unsure because of the writer and director)....

Public Enemies is gonna be sick for sure.

But back to Terminator, i didnt like T3 much, although i didnt hate it, but i hope T4 is good so i can add it to my dvd collection (along with T2 and T1) but i am gonna act like T3 didnt happen (no plot elements were crucial)....

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IIIKrazyKiDDIII writes:
on Aug 06 2008 11:02 AM

The terminators have always talked about judegment day and shown glimpses of the resistance and the war. Finally they will show that in #4!

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