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Box Office Guru Wrapup: Transformers 2 Generates Explosive Box Office
by Gitesh Pandya | June 28, 2009
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Summary

This weekend Robots ruled the box office as the highly-anticipated action sequel Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen generated the second biggest opening in history with a gargantuan $201.2M in its first five days, according to studio estimates, sending the overall marketplace to its highest gross of the year. The eye-popping figure included $112M over the traditional Friday-to-Sunday period plus an additional $89.2M since its Wednesday launch. Playing ultrawide in 4,234 theaters including 169 IMAX screens, the Paramount release averaged a stunning $26,453 over the Friday-to-Sunday period and a gigantic $47,531 over five days. The only other film to ever gross more in its first five days was last summer's The Dark Knight which hauled in a slightly better $203.8M from 4,366 venues. The first Transformers bowed to $155.4M in 6.5 days and needed 12.5 days to break the double-century mark on its way to a $319.2M finish. Back to Article
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D Effin W
D Effin W writes:
on Jun 28 2009 05:14 PM

I love it...

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colin t.
colin t. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 05:18 PM

a sad weekend indeed.

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iakobos
iakobos writes:
on Jun 28 2009 05:32 PM

TF2 was great. Bay made the movie for fans, not critics, and gave them what they wanted which was more robots, bigger battles, more Optimus Prime and more of the G1 interplay between Megatron and Starscream.

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JohnnyJonJon
JohnnyJonJon writes:
on Jun 28 2009 05:32 PM

Here's hoping the Hangover breaks the $200 million barrier in the next week! I'm planning on seeing it this week for the first time.

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jokerboy1991
jokerboy1991 writes:
on Jun 28 2009 05:47 PM

Meh, I wonder how well Transformers will hold up. Yes it will still make a lot, but I'm interested in seeing how word-of-mouth effects it next weekend, and no I am not asking what your audience's reaction was. So far it has a 6.8 on IMDB which isn't a good sign especially since it just opened, it always goes down. B on yahoo which is good but its also lower then the user rating for the first movie. Transformers 2 is probably the biggest disappointment for me this summer and I didn't even have high hopes, just expected a fun action movie.

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Robert K.
Robert K. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 05:52 PM

Iron Man 2 will blow this out of the water.

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whitey_mcwhite
whitey_mcwhite writes:
on Jun 28 2009 05:52 PM

I guess if you put enough explosions in a movie good characters, plot, and subtext don't matter. I remember someone saying a few weeks ago that if people stop going to bad movies that maybe Hollywood would get a clue and would start making quality product, but obviously that's not going to happen.

Anyway, I somewhat enjoyed the movie, it deserved slightly better than it's critical rating, but nowhere near as much as it earned. Even after drinking there were a lot of things I still couldn't get past. (The subplot with the girl chasing Sam when he first gets to college led to nowhere and couldn't have dropped to lower the running time.) Between annoying characters (the twins, Sam's roommate, etc), subplots that led nowhere (aforementioned subplot and more), lack of character development (robots and humans alike), and stupid juvenile humor (random dog humping scenes, a robot humping Mikaela's leg, a robot with testicles, etc.) the bad far outweighed the good.

I wanted to like it more, and I did have some fun, but it's sad that this made over $200 million at the box office over five days.


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ledawg1138
ledawg1138 writes:
on Jun 28 2009 05:56 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518493)
Agreed. It's the second most sucessful film worldwide. Tsk tsk.

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smartmoviekid
smartmoviekid writes:
on Jun 28 2009 05:57 PM

agreed jokerboy, i expected it to be completely better than part 1, and there were some elements, such as the action scenes and the Megatron/starscream interplay that was greatly improved. however everything else was either underutilized or unneccesary, like the twins, the human decepticon, the lack of a plot, and the tiny autobot. a lot of things just didnt work out and it was only the action scenes that truely saved the film for me.

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thedownstar
thedownstar writes:
on Jun 28 2009 06:08 PM

saw "Away We Go" today and am wishing that it would have a stronger showing nationwide than it did. Great movie, two very likable characters giving great performances, too bad it came out in a month with more flash than substance, the kiddies love the flash...I'm looking at you Mr. Bay

I'm not surprised by the transformers numbers, I guess bloated action movies are what the summer is all about, hell, put Paul Blart part deux in June this time next year and it'll make two hundred million, that and anything written by Stephenie Meyer.


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Glenn W.
Glenn W. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 06:12 PM

yeah, there will likely be a huge dropoff next week and it'll fade away pretty quickly, this movie is getting too many negative reviews to have any real staying power. i don't think a whole lot of people who weren't interested in Transformers will be going to see this movie, and i don't think it'll be getting a lot of repeat viewings from people whom have already seen it.

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jokerboy1991
jokerboy1991 writes:
on Jun 28 2009 06:22 PM

Oh yeah see Away We Go is really good, and when Moon and The Hurt Locker comes to your area, go see those!

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IOwn Andrew Kruzel
IOwn Andrew Kruzel writes:
on Jun 28 2009 06:22 PM

Aww sheeit, it's the OWNAGE PO-LICE!

No, actually I'm just here to say that if the rumors that Captain of Team Loyalty is banned are true, I'm gonna be retiring the handle and going back to lurking around here. m ywork here is done thanks to the mods who finally got rid of him and eveyrone can feel free to have great movie discussion without being attacked for having an opinion. It surely hasnt escaped everyone's notice that this thread gets hijacked weekly by someone who can't respect other peoples opinions, no matter how well they're put or what they're based on. I love coming hear to read really intelligemt movie discussion and already the atmosphere around here is a lot less hostile and generally more harmonious. For the people that thought I was just a troll like my namesake, sorry.

I'm gonna go back to lurking, but if ever the time should arise when I am again needed...well mabe you can make a Bat signal.


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Paints Hz Shirt Red
Paints Hz Shirt Red writes:
on Jun 28 2009 06:25 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518494)
i agree. just alotta haters out there that wished this film did worse. nobody gives a **** about the plot, or the human characters. this film was made for the people that grew up loving transformers.

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Enigmalake
Enigmalake writes:
on Jun 28 2009 06:31 PM

"nobody gives a **** about the plot, or the human characters"
Lol, well... When I go to a movie, those are two important elements that I care about.


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carlocarr
carlocarr writes:
on Jun 28 2009 06:36 PM

Yey! Transformers is no.1!!! so it means a part 3 will be inevitable.. This is one of the best summer movies i ever watched..My family and friends watched this film and all of us loved it, we plan to watch it again on Imax next week.Yehey! To all the haters and critics.. watching Transformers should be mindless fun.. keyword "mindless"..

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Paints Hz Shirt Red
Paints Hz Shirt Red writes:
on Jun 28 2009 06:48 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518523)
well u went to the wrong movie then.

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colin t.
colin t. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 06:51 PM

no movie should ever be mindless. not even transformers. wouldn't you prefer fantastic plot and characters to go with your action?

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Anna L.
Anna L. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 06:52 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518523)
Agreed. Otherwise the movie just sucks.

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GFP Sr
GFP Sr writes:
on Jun 28 2009 07:09 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518519)
If Captain really got banned RT should make an article/thread proclaiming the good news.

Sad to hear that so many people went to see this movie. More than a few of my facebook "friends" (ie people I went to high school with and don't currently give a s**t about) were making silly "omg megan fox" and "best movie evar" posts that appear on my news feed. Bleh, bring on The Hurt Locker!


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Adam L.
Adam L. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 07:17 PM

I laugh when people say Bay made this film for Fans and not the critics because as a fan I feel he completely screwed the pooch. Literaly he might use that in his next film as a joke.

The man took a beloved franchise and turned it into murderbots galore and all he does is ride the coat tails of the wonderful artists at ILM.

Michael Bay should be banned from making another Transformers movie cause if anything this film proved is you dont need a director to sell a big budget CGI film.


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Carter F.
Carter F. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 07:18 PM

ROTF looked way too long, way to explody, and way to Megan Fox, but I saw it anyway, and it wasn't as bad as I had thought. I'm expecting a Watchmen sized drop. Glad to see Away We Go in the top 10, though

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ledawg1138
ledawg1138 writes:
on Jun 28 2009 07:20 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518519)
You're a true hero. But, he can come back.

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De4ective Detectiv3
De4ective Detectiv3 writes:
on Jun 28 2009 07:34 PM

Does anyone else find it ironic that Michael Bay's worst rated film is also his highest grossing? I don't know about you guys, but I'm giddy w/ anticipation just thinking of what he'll come up w/ next. What could he possibly do that would be any worse, Bad Boys 3?

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FD B.
FD B. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 07:41 PM

I've said it elsewhere but I'll say it again. I really don't get what people are complaining about. I thought it was a great movie vastly better than the 1st (which I liked but haven't watched since seeing it in the theater, on the other hand I'm planning to see this again in the theater - which I haven't done for a movie in years).

The best part were the fight scenes, unlike the first movie you could see what was actually going on. It made the military look really good. It indirectly made President Obama look bad. The voices for Starscream and Soundwave were great. The SFX were awesome. The plot was interesting. Shia Lebouf turned in a decent performance. Megan Fox looked hot.

Sure there were some negatives to it. The humor was often crude and felt out of place (although I did laugh at most of it). Whoever invented shaky cam should be shot. Hugo Weaving was better in the 1st one. I'm mixed on the twins, they were annoying in that little brother way, but they do redeem themselves in the end (I'd rather had put in more of Arcee and Sideswipe). The secondary robots are underused.

Overall though it is the best movie I've seen this summer (which includes Star Trek, Up, and Terminator).


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Jack Waters
Jack Waters writes:
on Jun 28 2009 07:45 PM

I hate you Transformers...

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Boxman
Boxman writes:
on Jun 28 2009 07:50 PM

I just saw transformers 2 it wasn't terrible as other said nor great but that's there opinion. I thought it was just decent with really dam cool effects but that's what pretty much carried the movie. I must say I was moderated entertained the twins were annoying and so was his roommate. I thought the mother was funny well kind of. The movie sorta fell apart once it took place in the desert not a terrible movie just average i would say 5.5/10 or 50 percent I like the first one better.

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jokerboy1991
jokerboy1991 writes:
on Jun 28 2009 07:52 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518549)
Really? I thought the last 30 minute action scene was filled with a lot of jump cuts which kind of made it hard to tell what is going on, also thats when the laughable slow motion kicked in. I also still think this movie makes the military and government look like idiots. I mean the military knows that there guns aren't the best weapons to fight robots, why not use something bigger? Then of course they have the stupid higher up government guy who acts all boss. The military also did a pretty bad job keeping these robots under cover, they go everywhere. I get what you mean by positive light- "the slow motion hero shots" but in context they still come off as idiots when you think about it. Also how can you not understands someone's complaints for this movie, the average critic/movie lover said- boring, incoherent, incomprehensible action, unfunny, WAY TOO LONG, and annoying characters. That is enough for one to not like a movie.

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bijio
bijio writes:
on Jun 28 2009 08:07 PM

I think Michael Bay was the only person on earth that missed the dark knight, why should we not expect at least a tangible sense of maturity from these tentpole flicks? Christ, its not like I'm asking for Amistad or whatever, There were things in this movie that were UNFORGIVABLE.

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Havokdx
Havokdx writes:
on Jun 28 2009 08:12 PM

The movie was fun the little robot was funny as hell and I even liked the twins although it bugged me that they just kinda disappeared. This is not a movie that will win oscars so all the haters F**K OFF! Sit back and enjoy the mindless fun. Its entertainment and it entertains.

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jokerboy1991
jokerboy1991 writes:
on Jun 28 2009 08:16 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518565)
How are people haters for not liking a movie?

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bondfreak
bondfreak writes:
on Jun 28 2009 08:17 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518556)
Jokerboy - i didnt even like the movie in IMAX, up here i canada all imaxes were sold out on every night lol. And i saw it cause it has 15 minutes extra footage in imax, and there was only like two scenes filmed in imax!!! granted they were good but the dark knight had what SIX?? Cmon if your going to spend 200 mil on a movie make more imax scenes. But yeah if anyone is going to see it, see it in imax, worth the extra bucks. i give the movie 2.5 out of 5 in imax and 2 out of imax. Good action, but nothing different, creative nor remotely intelligent which wouldve been nice. You want quality see public enemies, hurt locker or inglourious bastards for some good action when they come out. Having a lot of the same thing doesnt make a movie amazing, Bay doesnt realize this. I think if he kept the same amount of action from the first one, but made it more slick, creative and fun, mightve been a lot more exciting. and he wouldve saved money on SP F/X :)

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GFP Sr
GFP Sr writes:
on Jun 28 2009 08:17 PM

This movie seems eerily like a cheapened ID4 even more aimed at the disposable income market. Replace Smith and Goldblum with Shia and... his Puerto Rican roommate? Vivica Fox as Smith's stripper wife replaced with Megan Fox the stripper-ly clad mechanic... Aliens make big explodeys from their spaceship vs. robot aliens that transform into chevys... Can't replace Smith's charisma or Goldblum's lovable nerdiness. And I don't know what America's fascination is with underage women these days, but I prefer Vivica in her prime to jailbait Megan.

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Boxman
Boxman writes:
on Jun 28 2009 08:19 PM

One more thing though did anyone find that dream scene with sam towards the end silly cause i must admitt that part was bad.

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Iceman Cometh
Iceman Cometh writes:
on Jun 28 2009 08:27 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518572)
Megan Fox isn't underage buddy, sorry to burst your bubble.

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David A.
David A. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 08:34 PM

Okay, this is getting old. Everybody should know by now what they are getting into when they go to see a Bay movie. Stop expecting him to change. It's never going to happen.

I mean, when his movies constantly make bank, he must be doing something right. People obviously like what he's throwing down. So yeah, if you decide to go see a Bay movie, just do us all a favor and don't ***** about it afterwards. That's all I ask, man.


So anyway, I believe it will be a battle between Transformers and Ice Age next weekend. The split between them will either be 60-40 or 50-50.

What does that mean for Public Enemies? It'll have a weak opening. This was a terrible date to release a niche movie. No really, it'll be lucky to pull in 20mil.


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jokerboy1991
jokerboy1991 writes:
on Jun 28 2009 08:47 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518579)
Wait, so we shouldn't talk about movies if we didn't like them? So the new policy is if you only have good things to say about a movie THEN you can talk, if not then as David. A said STFU!

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Chris B.
Chris B. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 08:57 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518556)
yeah that's kind of funny coming from someone who said he didn't even pay attention to the last third of this movie. that being said, I still don't see where anybody who says that they couldn't tell what was going on is coming from. if you actually pay attention to the movie, you can tell exactly what is going on, in my opinion. anyone complaining about how they couldn't tell what was going on was probably sitting in the seats closest to the screen like a couple of dumb@sses.

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jokerboy1991
jokerboy1991 writes:
on Jun 28 2009 08:58 PM

Also I found this article on Transformers about how a lot of things didn't make any sense, yes its an action movie, but its pretty funny and worth a read.
http://www.film.com/movies/transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen/story/ten-things-transformers-revenge-fallen/28878170


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themovieman
themovieman writes:
on Jun 28 2009 09:07 PM

I saw it last night in a packed theater, and everyone had a great time. The plot wasn't hard to follow at all, alot of funny moments, and lots of transformers transforming! I saw no one shuffling in their seats or looking at their watches due to the length of the movie, at the end people clapped. Michael Bay knows how to direct extreme action that's why people see his movies, the formula works. Perfect popcorn summer movie!!!

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jokerboy1991
jokerboy1991 writes:
on Jun 28 2009 09:23 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518582)
Yeah I wasn't paying attention but it doesn't take a genius to notice when there are jump cuts which is like film school 101 on what not to do with an action sequence, even Wolverine had that.

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ledawg1138
ledawg1138 writes:
on Jun 28 2009 09:24 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518579)
Ignoring the fact you defend Bay way too much, you're sadly right about "Publi Enemies". That (and "Drag Me to Hell") need to be released in October or September, and they would make tons of cash!

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Chris B.
Chris B. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 09:27 PM

well if you're not paying attention to the movie then it means you're not even trying to focus on what's happening. your argument about that really isn't even a valid one when you weren't even acknowledging what was going on.

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o1blak
o1blak writes:
on Jun 28 2009 09:34 PM

Sure Transformers was stupid, redundant, and racist, but it was also fun. A movie about a bunch of toys killing each other was never meant to be taken seriously and any Transformers fan over the age of 12 knows this. Its like watching pro wrestling... something that is also stupid, redundant, and VERY racist. The fans know its just a joke, and would like to be entertained by the most ridiculous s#!* possible. If you don't understand that, then I guess that makes you a "critic".

It took over 70 years of comics, cartoon shows, live action TV shows, okay movies, f@#&ing horrible movies, and spin off cartoon shows to make the masterpiece that is The Dark Knight. Everyone forgets about the original Batman movie with the shark mace, and the fight on the submarine. Everyone forgets about the technicolor Batman Forever, and the cringe worthy Batman and Robin that had nothing of any value. Not even good action.

Say what you want, but the The Dark Knight was built on decades of failure. Transformers will do well, because it just doesn't care, and people miss that in movies.


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Chris B.
Chris B. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 09:34 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518589)
yeah I'm not even going to bother watching Public Enemies in theaters, anyway. don't get me wrong, I like Depp, Bale, and the whole idea of the film as a gangster epic but the way Michael Mann filmed the movie makes it look more like some made-for-t.v. re-enactment. that reason alone completely draws me out of the film. it just doesn't look like a movie should look. I might give it a rent on dvd, though.

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Luis C.
Luis C. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 09:35 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518535)
You're crazy!!! This movie is awesome! It has everything a fan wanted, I really wonder what were you expecting????? Maybe you expected a couple of robots getting married and living happily ever after????!!! please, go and watch a drama movie instead

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jokerboy1991
jokerboy1991 writes:
on Jun 28 2009 09:43 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518590)
Yeah your right, I guess I missed out on Sam entering Autobot heaven and the Decepticons for some reason not being able to catch Sam and his fairy dust (League of Matrix!)

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Chris B.
Chris B. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 09:46 PM

well, there is another point which shows you weren't paying attention. it was called the Matrix of Leadership not the league of matrix or whatever your mind made up. you basically just admitted you weren't paying any attention whatsosever.

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carlocarr
carlocarr writes:
on Jun 28 2009 09:48 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518530)
@colin t.
why cant a movie be mindless fun?well for me a fantastic plot is like a BONUS for an action movie.. And besides, if the Transformers had an plot as deep as the Dark Knight, it will be hard to understand the story while absorbing all the CGI action..might give me a headache..:-)


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Bob S.
Bob S. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 09:50 PM

Okay, so this sort of annoys me, and it's an argument repeated over and over and over and I'm just really sick of it. "This movie was made for fans, not critics!"

As if fans and critics have never agreed on anything? Oh, you know, like STAR TREK, THE DARK KNIGHT, IRON MAN, HELLBOY II, CASINO ROYALE, THE LORD OF THE RINGS TRILOGY, SPIDER-MAN 2, SPIDER-MAN. I could go on. TERMINATOR 2, BLADE RUNNER, RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, STAR WARS, JAWS, JESUS people! Why can you not accept that TRANSFORMERS 2 is not in the same league as the above? Critics ask for a little more in the way of quality - why aren't you? You could have had an awesome movie that gave the robots actual personas, believable motivations, subtext, a coherent plot, themes, and less of John Turturro in a thong. Less robots "lubricating" on humans or humping legs or animals humping. Above all, why do you apologists need to attack anyone that points this out? IT. COULD. HAVE. BEEN. MUCH. MUCH. MUCH. MUCH. BETTER. End, alright? It's okay to be satisfied with less-than-perfection, but why do you feel the need to berate the people that aren't? The people that say the movie had some flaws and point them out legitimately? Why is it so offensive to your existence?


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Salmonius
Salmonius writes:
on Jun 28 2009 09:54 PM

I just hope transformers doesnt make more money than the Dark Knight, i went and saw it and i truly didnt enjoy it. I didnt like the first one, but i figured 2 and a half hours of megan fox wouldnt be so bad...im just waiting for the Hurt Locker to come out here

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jokerboy1991
jokerboy1991 writes:
on Jun 28 2009 09:57 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518600)
Oh, so the autobot heaven thing didn't happen? Or Sam running with the fairy dust and the super strong deceptions still aren't able to catch him? Your always so smart Chris, thats why you love Transformers and don't wanna see a Michael Mann movie... so insightful as usual.

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Bob S.
Bob S. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 10:03 PM

I'm just happy that Bay is off the third installment, because his idea of upping the ante would undoubtedly involve a robot taking a steaming metal crap on somebody (possibly Sam's roommate). That crap-pile would then transform into another walking junkheap and we'd get more brilliance like Sam telling Bumblebee, "The whole guardian thing is over, I don't need you anymore" 10 seconds after Bumblebee saved his *** from an army of mini-Bayformers.

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carlocarr
carlocarr writes:
on Jun 28 2009 10:04 PM

@bob s.

"Why can you not accept that TRANSFORMERS 2 is not in the same league as the above? Critics ask for a little more in the way of quality - why aren't you?"

uhm coz for the some of us that liked the movie, the quality was top notch. As one of the commenter said, even though Michael Bay is not a good director(based on some of the commenters here), his movies' still rakes in alot of money. Maybe some of us are pointing out to some that didnt liked the movie that their standards are a bit way too high(specially about a robot movie). Every movie could have been So.Much.Much.better, but for those who liked that said movie, the movie they saw is perfect as it is, but ofcourse to those hated that also said movie will say it could have been better. Movies should be fun, again a very deep plot is just a bonus(well for me) for an action movie..:-)


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Chris B.
Chris B. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 10:06 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518606)
didn't I just say that I was probably going to rent it on DVD? you obviously barely paid any attention to the movie, much less the comment I just posted.

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ledawg1138
ledawg1138 writes:
on Jun 28 2009 10:14 PM

Everyone-who-says-"Transformers 2"-is-big-dumb-fun-that-can-be-forgiven-for-everything-because-of-the-director's-standards: We get it. You can STFU.

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man in the water
man in the water writes:
on Jun 28 2009 10:16 PM

I personally loved Transformers 2, it was a lot of fun, nothing to think about just sit back and enjoy the ride. Plus, it looked AMAZING in IMAX. I loved Away We Go, I'm happy that's getting some attention, but I hope it gets more. Maggie Gyllenhal, don't know how to spell that, is hilarious in there, and should get Oscar attention. I plan on seeing Moon, Cheri, and The Hurt Locker next week, they're all in LA luckily for me. Pelham 123 was also pretty good, I enjoyed it as an action/suspense, with characters and a plot

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Bob S.
Bob S. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 10:16 PM

@carlocarr:
I'll do you a favor and point out the BS in your argument: "it's based on robots." It doesn't matter what a movie is based on - novel, comic book, or *theme park ride.* One critic/fan-praised movie that I left off the list was PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: CURSE OF THE BLACK PEARL. Is there anything that's harder to adapt? Yet that movie managed to have great characters that most people were dying to see more of (not LESS of), action, a coherent plot, excellent pacing, believable motivations, and dammit it ENTERTAINED. The things that make a great movie are story, characters, and technical filmmaking, not quality of the source material.

There's no way that you think that there isn't a better way to film the action (don't lie - you can't tell what's happening in every frame of the action), tell a better story (it can be a MUCH SIMPLER story - Bay has proven ad nauseum that he can't handle the complexities that Kurtzman and Orci keep trying to inject into the screenplay, and they themselves have repeatedly demonstrated that they're more inept at writing than two monkeys with a typewriter), or have better characters (surely you don't think that the lack of character development, the robots with barely any dialogue, and the stereotyped caricatures instead of believable, fleshed out characters is the best they could do?). It could have been better, but I don't know if I'd make the same arguments for IRON MAN or THE DARK KNIGHT. I really don't know how I'd change those movies to substantially improve them.


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jokerboy1991
jokerboy1991 writes:
on Jun 28 2009 10:17 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518610)
Renting it on DVD yet another wise decision considering it was shot in HD and looks best when projected digitally on the big screen. Well I guess you can just go see Sam hanging out in Autobot heaven and fighting pretty un-menacing decepticons instead of seeing a film from the Director of Heat, The Insider, and Collateral.

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RE4P3R
RE4P3R writes:
on Jun 28 2009 10:17 PM

iakobos: Bay made this movie for money -- not for any fans.

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DKUK
DKUK writes:
on Jun 28 2009 10:31 PM

Still haven't seen it....can't decide whether to spend what little money I have on seeing it....or waiting for it to come out on DVD. But, I can quite easily turn my brain off for a popcorn movie, but I am slightly put off by the running time, really don't know how I can sit there for two and a half hours without leaving every hour to go to the toilet...LOL.

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Chris B.
Chris B. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 10:35 PM

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what? watch it on the big screen? the way Mann shot the movie makes it look more like a documentary or some made-for-t.v. re-enactment. I'm sorry but I'm not paying money to see something like that on the big screen. I'd rather pay to see a movie that actually looks like a movie. however, something like The Blair Witch Project is something that I would go see because it actually looks like it's supposed to be a documentary. Public Enemies, however, shouldn't look like a documentary. it's a GANGSTER EPIC for God's sake. why does it have a documentary feel to it instead of being something that actually looks and feels as though you're watching a movie. this movie is going to be a DVD for me.

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arendr
arendr writes:
on Jun 28 2009 10:42 PM

I misread this headline as "Transformers 2 Generates Explosive Diarrhea."

Though that's probably accurate as well.


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Bob S.
Bob S. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 10:45 PM

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LMAO.

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jokerboy1991
jokerboy1991 writes:
on Jun 28 2009 10:46 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518624)
But there is a HUGE difference when you see a trailer for Public Enemies on your computer then seeing it digitally projected. Plus there were really only a few shots in that trailer that looked too grainy or had some motion problems, but that could be because its on the computer. The clarity is a lot better on digital. Also its Johnny Depp and Christian Bale in what looks to be like a good story, so why wouldn't you see it?

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carlocarr
carlocarr writes:
on Jun 28 2009 10:50 PM

@bob.s

"but I don't know if I'd make the same arguments for IRON MAN or THE DARK KNIGHT. I really don't know how I'd change those movies to substantially improve them."

exactly!! for you, IRON MAN and the Dark Knight cant be substantially improved because you like those movies, but for me that didnt liked(well alittle maybe)it,for example the Dark Knight, I could tell you that it could have been much better(the actions could have been a bit better or cooler) but you would argue because for you it was almost perfect, thats the same for Transformers 2,except vice versa, i like it and think its ok as it is and your the one that think its not that good..every movie can be so much better, every movie have a flaw.But if a movie as a whole was entertaining, i dont care for some flaws whether be it a stupid plot, not enough characterization or anything, important thing is as a whole, it delivered.

Movies CAN be mindless fun you know, why cant it be?? :-)


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arendr
arendr writes:
on Jun 28 2009 10:52 PM

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Not to get too far off topic, but Public Enemies looks extremely uneven photographically. Certain scenes look more digital than my movie, which we're shooting on HD. I've been putting a definite film-look on our footage in post, but it's strange to me that Mann isn't doing that as well.

Mann likes to use a particular HD cam that handles low-light well. The only problem is that it works for things like Collateral but it seems weird in a period piece. I hope Public Enemies is good. We shall see.


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Troy H.
Troy H. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 10:58 PM

Transformers 2 is awesome. You guys should all wear helmets so u don't make a mess when it BLOWS YO MIND!!

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Hudson M.
Hudson M. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 11:01 PM

Don't forget Mohicans. A purely action based drama that involves the audience. Bay could only dream of staging just one sequence from Mohicans.

And Transformers was gawdawful. I despised the first one, so no surprise. The fan following and the juvenile nature of this film reminds me why I hate teenagers. Go pop a zit


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Chris B.
Chris B. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 11:03 PM

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well, if you had read my other comment I said that the only problem I had with the movie is the way in which Michael Mann shot it. Bale and Depp are among my favorites and the story sounds great. it's just that sometimes the way a movie looks can either make the movie or break the movie for me. and I also saw the Public Enemies trailer in theaters and it looked almost the same as it had on the PC. like you said about the way in which Michael Bay used his camera took you out of the experience, the way in which Michael Mann used his camera will most likely take me out of the experience.

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Hudson M.
Hudson M. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 11:08 PM

The problem with Bay is he is unable to involve the audience in the action. We sit back and watch it, but are not drawn into the environment. We don't feel like we're there. it is fireworks at their worst, oh how interesting, look what madness is on screen.

And who the F cares about what camera he used? If there's no heads blocking the screen, and I can focus on the material on display (which you can't in Transformers), who cares. Quit bitching.


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jokerboy1991
jokerboy1991 writes:
on Jun 28 2009 11:13 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518635)
Yeah understood, but I am a tech geek at this stuff so, did you see the trailer digitally projected? The reason why Michael Mann loves the HD is that for the night scenes he's able to capture great depth of field while also not having to use a crap load of lighting. I don't think he shot any scenes on film like he did with Miami Vice and Collateral, but it looks pretty crystal clear except for a few shots. Plus shootout scenes look AMAZING on HD and Mann shoots action amazingly well.

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RexLaboro
RexLaboro writes:
on Jun 28 2009 11:18 PM

The "story" is retarded and pieced together with shoe strings to basically link action sequences. I don't need award winning writing with my Giant Robot movies but damn, even a basic simple plotline would have made everything better. I dont knwo what they were trying to do. And whats up with the Termonatrix? If they can do THAT, why even turn into vehicles? Does the Fallen transform? How come that cool Corvette only transformed once? Why did Megatron only transform once? Are there two Devatstators? Whats up with the Decepticon baby pods?

Anyway, I was entertained enough to want to see it again. Skids and Mudflap were only bad in the sense that they could have been replaced by cooler robots if they were going to get that much screen time.


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RexLaboro
RexLaboro writes:
on Jun 28 2009 11:22 PM

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In Revenge of the Fallen, the Corvette transforms and cuts an Audi decepticon in half. You never see the robot version of the car and I kinda wondered if Bay was taking an abstract shot at Iron Man.

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Chris B.
Chris B. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 11:32 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518639)
i'm not sure. I can't remember what movie it was that I saw the trailer on. if you go to the Public Enemies movie profile and look at the MORIARTY review, look at about halfway down when he talks about the whole use of the HD camera instead shooting the movie on film. he says "the digital photography will remain divisive with audiences." I guess you could say that I'm on the side of the audience who can't stand the way the movie itself looks.

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ZigBallistic
ZigBallistic writes:
on Jun 28 2009 11:52 PM

It was a mediocre film with some good action scenes and little plot. I don't think it deserves the 20% it is getting on the tomato meter though. Maybe 45-50%.

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Ivan P.
Ivan P. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 11:55 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518633)
I am amazed when people like you think these movies are brainless but are such idiots that they mention how awful and how much they hate TF1 and they still go ahead and watch TF2. Who's the brainless?

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JettaJameson
JettaJameson writes:
on Jun 28 2009 11:56 PM

I saw The Proposal on Friday night. I expected it to be higher than 18 million. My theater was 75% full. It was a great movie and very funny. Sandra Bullock and Ryan Reynolds have fantastic on-screen chemistry. I hope to see them work together again on another project. Betty White was hilarious. It definately deserved a fresh rating. I'm not sure what the critics were thinking.

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David A.
David A. writes:
on Jun 28 2009 11:59 PM

@Jokerboy

Look, my point is that everybody should know better by now. If you were disappointed with Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, it's probably because you went in expecting something uncharacteristically from Bay, namely a plot and character development.

Like I said before, he makes flicks in spite of those things. So you can expect that or not- either way, I'm tired of people dogging on Bay for things he's done his entire career, especially since his movies are wildly popular. I mean, this damn movie made 200mil in five days.


@Ledawg

You are probably right. And yeah, I'd much rather talk about directors that actually mix things up and have range.


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jokerboy1991
jokerboy1991 writes:
on Jun 29 2009 12:05 AM

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Well just because someone's movies are popular doesn't make them good. But I think everyone on here knows Michael Bay really well by now and what to expect from him, so there's no need to really bring up that argument. I went in expecting myself to enjoy it as much as I did the first movie and I didn't like it, I expected Michael Bay's usual formula and I thought it was going to work just like it did for the first movie which was not the case at all...

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Charlie L.
Charlie L. writes:
on Jun 29 2009 12:22 AM

People are idiots.

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De4ective Detectiv3
De4ective Detectiv3 writes:
on Jun 29 2009 12:24 AM

My only gripe w/ this movie is that its kinda disappointing that this is pretty much the last big summer blockbuster to come out this year(I geuss you could count Harry Potter, personally, I've never been able to watch more than 15min of an HP film).

Honestly, I still think that there are certain aspects of the cartoon that I enjoy more.


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cinemascribe
cinemascribe writes:
on Jun 29 2009 01:50 AM

**Possible Spoiler***

I have to say, I'm about as white in my lack of style as a white man can get and when the kid 'ascended' to what I'm guessing was the equivalent of a robot afterlife, I pretty much tossed up a sideways peace sign and called it a day.

Transformer Heaven, man. They actually sent the kid to Transformer Heaven. Just mull that one over for a moment. I think need to go watch "Bio Dome" to earn back some IQ points now.


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Satanizmo
Satanizmo writes:
on Jun 29 2009 02:21 AM

I don't know what you people expect, I go into the theatre expect just... well, that. I expect big, dumb, fun, action movie. That's it. I love plot and character development, but no I don't expect that at all when I walk in to watch Transformer, its a big, dumb and silly movie and fun as hell. That's it.

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Satanizmo
Satanizmo writes:
on Jun 29 2009 02:25 AM

****, way too my "expect" and "that's it" in my post... wtf.

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Satanizmo
Satanizmo writes:
on Jun 29 2009 02:33 AM

*way too many, ****! I need to proof-read things...

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sonic567
sonic567 writes:
on Jun 29 2009 02:37 AM

I wept for the intelligence of the audience when they laughed at the idiotic racial excrement that came out of Skid and Mudflap. Amazing how only ten years ago we were introduced to a similar character, Jar-Jar Binks, and we as an audience we ridiculed Lucas for creating such an abomination and putting him in a celebrated franchise. Have we really devolved so much that when Bay commits a similar (arguably worse) atrocity, we welcome it with open arms? For shame, America.

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Chris B.
Chris B. writes:
on Jun 29 2009 02:49 AM

In reply to this comment (#2518670)
well seeing as Transformers doesn't have a following that can even be compared to Star Wars, it doesn't really have that kind of impact.

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cinemascribe
cinemascribe writes:
on Jun 29 2009 03:53 AM

@satanizmo:

I expect some attempt at reasonable cleverness and a modicum- at least a modicum- of intelligence. I liked the original Transformers live action film. It was also a mindless popcorn flick, but it was fun and there were some genuinely clever touches strewn throughout, such as Bumblee playing "Baby come back" as Fox storms away from the Camaro or the one robot explaining that Sam's bio signs indicated he was attracted to the girl. Nice little moments that caught me off guard.

Transformers 2 had none of that. What human moments it did have were beyond juvenile and the rest became numbingly repititious. Now add in the sequence I mentioned in my earlier post, which was one of the stupidest things I've seen in a film for some time. I have nothing against big popcorn flicks, but this was on autopilot from the first frame. Bay did the inconceivable here: He overplayed his only known hand to such extremes that he made the sight of giant transforming robots locked in battle boring.


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lizardo_manson
lizardo_manson writes:
on Jun 29 2009 04:53 AM

Is funny to read how people come here and write garbage about the movie while the movie is raking an amusing quantity of money and after trashing the movie they go again and again to watch it..hum, i feel some kind of hypocrecy here. The movie is not perfect, but is good , not as the first one (in my opinion), but good. I didn't liked the black-o twins or whatever they were mucking, but don't come and say that i was offended because that's not truth, i'm not black, but they are really dumbs and unfunny, then we see a repetitive stupid scene with a humping dog and a unnecessary lengthy movie. SO i give a move 7/10 not 2/10 or 3/10 as haters want to proclaim.

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andretti #1
andretti #1 writes:
on Jun 29 2009 07:09 AM

Saw it over the weekend at my local IMAX. I can completely understand why a lot of people and critics are trashing this movie so hard. It shows that Bay can make explosions look good and he does know how to put together action pieces... but my god, he just can't put together anything resembling a story-line that isn't sophmoric.

Saying all that though the movie didn't drag while I was watching it which is what I was mostly afraid of. I enjoyed it for what it was but will probably never see it again. The most annoying thing (and somewhat embarrasing) were the twins... really, talk about your typical sterotypes. Optimus was great and I want that Corvette (a.k.a Sideswipe)... that was a sweet ride.


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Cole_Cash
Cole_Cash writes:
on Jun 29 2009 07:30 AM

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01blak that was the best reasoning of why people see Transformers 2 that I have read yet. I loved the first TF despite it's millions of issues because I grew up watching transformers. Just because I loved the movie doesn't make it good cinema though and I hate the racism in this guys flicks. Bay hasn't made a "good" movie since The Rock.

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Warheart1188
Warheart1188 writes:
on Jun 29 2009 08:28 AM

The story would've been good if they actually told it and incorporated that "human touch". The film was amazing if you want action and giant robots. Even better in IMAX.

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Iceman Cometh
Iceman Cometh writes:
on Jun 29 2009 08:41 AM

to say you enjoyed watching transformers 2 is one thing. I personally was entertained throughout the movie. but to say it was a GOOD movie is another thing. its filled with way too many flaws to be called a good movie. its okay to say you enjoyed a bad movie, as we all have our guilty pleasure movies, but you cannot by any means call transformers 2 a good movie.

To summarize: Transformers 2 - entertaining? I say yes. quality movie? no way.

transformers 2 apologists, stop attacking those who found the number of flaws too overwhelming to enjoy the movie. i enjoyed myself while watching the movie, but i laugh whenever people say its a quality film. there is a huge number of problems with the movie, but if you can overlook them and enjoy yourself, good for you. but don't except everyone else to do the same


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Mr k.
Mr k. writes:
on Jun 29 2009 08:44 AM

Loved Megan Fox and her denim shorts. I agree with iakobos "Bay made the movie for fans, not critics" the only thing wrong with this move and I would say the same about the first one is way to much time spent on Humans and not enough Robots.

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JAKEofMIDWORLD
JAKEofMIDWORLD writes:
on Jun 29 2009 08:45 AM

Don't speak for me. Those are the two most important elements for a good movie. If you tell me that ROTF has none of that, well I don't care to see it.

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Bahamut_Ultima
Bahamut_Ultima writes:
on Jun 29 2009 09:00 AM

Look, Look, Look. If people dont like it then dont like it, dont go come on here and start a bunch of arguements. If you like it then dont do the same.

Personally i dont plan on seeing it theater even though im sure thats the place to see it. Though i loved the first one. I just think the second one wont be worth my 8.50 when i can get it for a buck.


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Bob S.
Bob S. writes:
on Jun 29 2009 09:13 AM

In reply to this comment (#2518630)
@carlocarr:
Sure, there are things that can be improved in every movie. TDK wasn't given a 10/10 by everyone - but it did average above an 8/10, suggesting that there isn't that much room for improvement. Maybe a few minor tweaks in the action, maybe making Rachel Dawes pregnant to really throw Harvey Dent over the edge, but that's a far cry from a movie that is rated a 4/10 and has MANY things to improve on.

You don't think that the story could have been better? You were totally satisfied with the bull**** about having to find the Matrix of Leadership when they *already have* an allspark fragment, just like the one that was used to give Megatron life again? You enjoyed Car Car Binks? You liked Shia's roommate and thought he was a solid addition to the exposition of the story? You enjoyed John Turturro's thong, and the only time Bay's camera lingered in the entire film was to show you his buttocks on IMAX? If so, this is why some people say that people who love Bay movies are dumb, and that they don't have good judgment when it comes to movies. I think most people, even those who enjoyed it, should be able to admit that there was A LOT of room for improvement. Either that, or you don't understand the difference between a believable character and a lazily created caricature.


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Paints Hz Shirt Red
Paints Hz Shirt Red writes:
on Jun 29 2009 09:16 AM

In reply to this comment (#2518573)
i agree about the dream scene. it was kinda dumb. i expected this film to make alot of money, i wish the story was a little bit stronger but i geuss it was good enough. i went in expecting a good film and i think it was. the last movie i was expecting to be good was watchmen. that turned out to be horrible, it was slow, boring, and way too long. i think it was the biggest let down so far this year.

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whitey_mcwhite
whitey_mcwhite writes:
on Jun 29 2009 09:18 AM

In reply to this comment (#2518630)
carlocarr: You can shut your brain off and just enjoy Iron Man and Pirates of the Caribbean, and you can choose to look at them deeper and be satisfied. Why alienate the viewers who want to see great action, loved the Transformers as a kid, and want something a little deeper than juvenile humor, subplots that go nowhere, and annoying characters? People say, "If you knew you were going to hate it why did you go?" We didn't want to hate the film, we wanted to like it because we like the source material, but we also didn't want to have our intelligence insulted by an incoherent mess. (And I'm sorry, but when you add subplots that lead nowhere and take up a good 15-30 minutes of the movie, then things get very jumbled up and incoherent.)

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Bob S.
Bob S. writes:
on Jun 29 2009 09:26 AM

In reply to this comment (#2518740)
@Bahamut_Ultima:
Dude, this is a place where people discuss movies! If you don't like movie discussion, then don't read/post!

Ideally, a good discussion about a movie engages people who enjoyed the movie and those who found it flawed. By exchanging viewpoints, we gain insight into each others' positions, and refine our own.

So far, the *ONLY* defense - and apologists (I use this term without malice), please, do bring up other strengths of the movie if you can - is that it has amazing action. And I'm going to go ahead and disagree with that. I think there are some spectacular things going on on-screen, but damned if I can tell you what they are every single time. If the action scenes had been comprehensible, I'd assuredly rate the movie higher. But when you have these scenes that are zoomed in, have two clunk garbage piles grappling each other, and then exacerbate the inherent difficulty in discerning what's going on there by adding jump cuts, camera spins, shaky-cam, and ADHD-style editing, it makes it nearly impossible to tell what's going on at times. You're watching a color-light show, not feeling like you're seeing a visceral battle for the fate of the planet. It's hard to even keep track of what they're fighting for because there are so many extraneous subplots and parallel storylines. Why is it so hard for apologists to admit that it is a colossal flaw to not be able to see the action in what they claim is an ACTION MOVIE?


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Paints Hz Shirt Red
Paints Hz Shirt Red writes:
on Jun 29 2009 09:28 AM

ok since everybody has a problem with bay doin these films, who would YOU pick as a better director?

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JAKEofMIDWORLD
JAKEofMIDWORLD writes:
on Jun 29 2009 09:42 AM

In reply to this comment (#2518733)
"the only thing wrong with this movie..."

Really, the only thing? Are you sure?


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rle4lunch
rle4lunch writes:
on Jun 29 2009 09:42 AM

Rabid Moviegoer before Bay movie comes out- "Rabble Rabble Rabble, I hate Bay movies..."

Rabid Moviegoer after Bay movie comes out- "Boy this latest movie of his sure sucked in theaters..."

Casual Observer of mindless rabble from Rabid Moviegoer- "I believe Bay just went FTW... and won..."


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Bob S.
Bob S. writes:
on Jun 29 2009 09:45 AM

In reply to this comment (#2518753)
Well if you want a complex science fiction story that has amazing visuals, deep themes, and subtext while still being damn entertaining, James Cameron could have done it. He would have been an amazing director for the property. Even the likes of Jonathan Mostow could have done it better than Bay. Comeback vehicle for McTiernan? He hasn't done a big movie in a while, and he isn't necessarily up on his CGI, but a capable second unit director and a good technical assistant and that can be overcome. Bryan Singer can do action, visuals, and tell a story (simple or complex). Zack Snyder, while I think is a bit of a one-trick pony with his slo-mo-speed-up action, is a guy who would have respected the soruce material and adapted it in a way that G1 fans would have liked a lot more. There are a ton of others that could have handled it capably and made an excellent movie. I'm gonna say that the bar isn't set too high to make a great science fiction/action movie about giant fighting robots. It can be very good as long as the characters are taken seriously, the plotting is decent (doesn't have to be complex - it can be really straightforward), and it doesn't get mired in trying to be funny by way of ultra-crass comedy. If I want that, I'll go watch something by the Farelly brothers. Leave it out of an action movie.

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Bob S.
Bob S. writes:
on Jun 29 2009 09:48 AM

And that leaves off names like Abrams, who in spite of his shaky-cam tendencies knows how to handle a story and invigorate it in a way that will appeal to a wide audience, and Spielberg himself, who I consider the master of creating a movie with intense visuals but genuine heart.

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Hudson M.
Hudson M. writes:
on Jun 29 2009 09:55 AM

All good directors who could've managed the material in a more adept manner. Bay is... well, he's Uwe Bolle with a budget. True, Bay handles the visuals better, rather he can frame a still better, but definitely doesn't have the audience's eyes in mind when capturing the action. But story, plot, maturity and characterization - yep you could definitely replace with the master Uwe and not lose a step.

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Paints Hz Shirt Red
Paints Hz Shirt Red writes:
on Jun 29 2009 10:04 AM

ya the only ones i agree with is speilberg or abrams. maybe even mcTiernan. but zack snyder no way. he would bore us to death. i think transformers is nothing but a action movie, i think it would be difficult to build a great story around them. the only way to do that is probly focus more on the humans than the robots. and that definently wouldnt work. theres not really a good way on making transformers great. story wise i mean. i think bay was a decent choice. his slow motion shots on the robots just basically show us the detail they went into making them.

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Angel P.
Angel P. writes:
on Jun 29 2009 10:05 AM

TRANSFORMERS 2 Deserves Optimum ranking

First I%u2019ll start with the negative things people are hating on, and then tell you why this movie is loved by many other people who actually have a sense of humor.

YES those twin robots are annoying but they also serve there purpose in the end and are funny at times. YES the movie is long OMG like there has never been a movie that long. Guess what for real transformers fans, pure transformer action was all that was needed and it is exactly what the movie is. YES it had some crude comments and dogs humping legs and 2balls hanging on a robot that simply did not need to be there, I totally agree, still was freaking HILARIOUS. YES there were so many robots you can%u2019t tell who is who, well guess what%u2026if you paid attention instead of pouting you can tell exactly who is who. YES some people hate Megan Fox some Love her%u2026that cant be helped, same thing with Shia and Bay, and guess what they%u2019re a lot happier than you haters are right now so stop being selfish and go hate yourselves. YES didn%u2019t seem there was much of a plot and then again there was plenty and especially from the original cartoons like the rivalry between Megatron, Starscream and Optimus was kept intact.
These people don%u2019t even acknowledge how Amazing and Breathtaking the SFX really are because they are almost not from this earth because there so Damn Good.

I%u2019ve been a fan of Transformers since I was a child and I can only thank God for keeping that child inside me intact, unlike all these grumpy Old people who don%u2019t know how to enjoy a movie. Transformers does not deserve the best ratings but it Definitely deserves good ones%u2026Sooo for all you haters, transformers will keep making money and I%u2019m sorry But transformers 3 is Coming. Please don%u2019t listen to bad critics go watch it now it is awesome. Peace


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Paints Hz Shirt Red
Paints Hz Shirt Red writes:
on Jun 29 2009 10:18 AM

In reply to this comment (#2518783)
to me the twins were the biggest let down. and sams mom acting stupid after eating pot brownies, she acted more drunk than stoned. i think most of the critics that viewed this film didnt grow up loving transformers. most of them are probly late 30s or 50s. unless they were teenagers still playing with toys. even the newer cartoons of transformers dont really compare to the 80s cartoons. to me they kind of went downhill, like the old looney tunes. so this film always has been a hit or miss for audience.

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whitey_mcwhite
whitey_mcwhite writes:
on Jun 29 2009 10:18 AM

I thought part of the reason for coming to a movie site and commenting on in sections like this is to have conversation and debate, I guess I was wrong from everyone telling everyone else to shut up.

I'm tired of people bringing up Bay's name to discuss why or why not you should or shouldn't find things wrong with this film. I don't think a film should be judged on the merits of it's director or it's cast. If it has Michael Bay's name on it I should be able to still judge it on the same criteria I would judge a movie by Christopher Nolan, Jon Favreau, Sam Raimi, Peter Jackson, Gore Verbinski, etc.

The fact that a movie is a fun movie, has good action, or made a boatload of money on opening weekend doesn't mean that a movie is good. Also just because the critics didn't enjoy a movie doesn't make a movie bad. But if people can give legitimate reasons why the movie wasn't good, and people who loved the movie cannot give good reasons except the aforementioned rasons as to why it's good, it must be stated that the movie is not good. I don't understand why people feel so defensive about a movie just because they happened to thoroughly enjoy the movie. I own Undercover Brother, AI, and 100 Women because I enjoy them but I'm comfortable enough to say they aren't good movies.

Even with Transformers 2, I had some fun, but even after drinking I could point out many glaring problems with the movie. If you didn't find issue with my issues that's okay, but I don't understand why some people feel the need to insult people because they found issues with the film. On the same token, there are people who insult others, without provocation, for enjoying the film and that's ridiculous too. The point of these boards is to discuss film, we should be able to discuss both sides without so much crap from either side of the spectrum.


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Magic is Might
Magic is Might writes:
on Jun 29 2009 10:50 AM

Oh is a fun movie not a good movie? If you had fun at a movie obviously it was good. How can you have fun at a bad movie?

Whitey why do you have issues with the fact that people liked the movie? Sometimes you are in the minority, like you are right now and you have to understand that.


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collex
collex writes:
on Jun 29 2009 10:53 AM

I saw transformers yesterday. It wasn't an horrible movie, but it was not a moviefor me. It was a movie for the two little tykes sitting besides me. Seeing these two extremely polite, 4-years-old boys completly amazed by what they saw on screen was worth the ticket price alone.

With that said, Transformers delivered what I wanted: amazing robot battle. But it was waaaaaay too long.


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collex
collex writes:
on Jun 29 2009 10:57 AM

In reply to this comment (#2518829)
ven I Transformer two hasn't entertained me like the first one did, I must agree with Magic is Might: a fun (or entertaining) movie is a good movie. And this is exactly why I was dissapointed by Transformers 2: I didn't have as much fun as I had while watching the ifrst one, which completly blew me away.

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Paints Hz Shirt Red
Paints Hz Shirt Red writes:
on Jun 29 2009 11:06 AM

thats why i asked if anybody had a better director in mind whitey. im tired of people crying about bay. wwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh another bay movie comingoutwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh bay ruined my childhoodwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh he painted flames on optimuswwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh bays a racistwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh i hate michael bay but im still gonna see thiswwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and thats about how the last year sounded like. its funny to me how bad people criticized this movie before it was released and yet they still went and seen it.

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Magic is Might
Magic is Might writes:
on Jun 29 2009 11:09 AM

Others could of made the movie and there would still be people who hate it. Cameron could of made it but it could of still had problems and i dont think the general audience would of wanted to wait 10 years for him to finally make it.

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Matanuki
Matanuki writes:
on Jun 29 2009 11:32 AM

In reply to this comment (#2518860)
I'd rather wait ten years for a great film than two for an instantly forgettable one.

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Bob S.
Bob S. writes:
on Jun 29 2009 11:46 AM

Magic is Might is TheCaptain of TeamLoyalty. Pretty sure about that one.

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Mr. Butler
Mr. Butler writes:
on Jun 29 2009 11:50 AM

Humanity failed.

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Floor Man
Floor Man writes:
on Jun 29 2009 11:50 AM

In reply to this comment (#2518530)
No.

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whitey_mcwhite
whitey_mcwhite writes:
on Jun 29 2009 12:02 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518783)
Angel P.: I'm going to explain to you the issues with this film, and see if you can understand this using what you tried to say weren't that big of issues. Understand, I'm 26, a Transformers fan, liked the first movie, and went into this movie excited and hoping it would be good, at least as good as the first one. Unfortunately I was let down.

1) "YES those twin robots are annoying but they also serve there purpose in the end and are funny at times."

I'm sorry, but what was the purpose they had to serve? The only purpose I got was they were supposed comic relief, but my friend and I found them more annoying then Jar Jar Binks. We both wished they would have been killed by Devastator at the end (or whatever that robot's name was) which isn't a good sign.

2) "YES the movie is long OMG like there has never been a movie that long."

Sure there are other movies that are long, but typically in those movies every subplot, every scene, serves the story. What was the reasoning behind showing Sam's mom get wasted on pot brownies? It didn't serve the narrative, cutting that could have lowered the running time be 5 minutes. Everything dealing with Sam's roommate could have been cut, as well as the twins. The whole subplot of the girl who keeps coming on to Sam also didn't really amount to anything, and could have actually set up an interesting subplot that lasted through most if not all of the movie, but just fizzled away 2 minutes after she was gone. That was 15-30 minutes of screen time wasted. Long movies are okay, but when you're adding in so much that doesn't amount to anything in the finished narrative than you have a lot that makes the movie feel too long.

3) "YES it had some crude comments and dogs humping legs and 2balls hanging on a robot that simply did not need to be there, I totally agree, still was freaking HILARIOUS."

I should also point out that you had also said earlier that those of us who have problems with this movie didn't have a sense of humor. I went to The Hangover a few weeks ago and laughed my @ss off to the point where I had trouble breathing. A lot of the jokes in there were crude and juvenile, but it also didn't rehash jokes I used to laugh at when I was 10. And some of the crude jokes just show how much Bay doesn't take the subject matter seriously. A robot humping a girl's leg, another robot with testicles, dog's humping, etc. are all things that I would have laughed at years ago and they could have easily had more grown up humor in the film to offset these things that were obviously meant to appeal to a younger audience, but they didn't.

4) "YES some people hate Megan Fox some Love her%u2026that cant be helped, same thing with Shia and Bay, and guess what they%u2019re a lot happier than you haters are right now so stop being selfish and go hate yourselves."

I don't have a problem with Shia or Megan Fox (I actually thought Megan Fox wasn't as wooden as in the first movie). So I won't comment on this one. I'm not judging the film based on who's in it, who directed it, or who wrote it. I'm basing all of my issues with the same criteria I would judge any film.

5) "YES didn%u2019t seem there was much of a plot and then again there was plenty and especially from the original cartoons like the rivalry between Megatron, Starscream and Optimus was kept intact."

There are a lot of movies that don't have plot, Martin Scorsese has commented that the only movie he's ever made with a plot was The Departed. All the plot has to do is get us from point A to point B competently. The problem with this movie is that they keep adding in other subplots that don't amount to anything and really have nothing to do with getting us to point B making it incoherent. The plot wasn't hard to follow if you didn't pay attention to the numerous subplots and macguffins thrown in that really didn't have anything to do with the plot at all.

6) "These people don%u2019t even acknowledge how Amazing and Breathtaking the SFX really are because they are almost not from this earth because there so Damn Good."

Actually, I've seen quite a few people say some of the special effects were great, myself included. The fight in the woods was great, and some of the fight scenes were top notch compared to the first movie. But then, Michael Bay went back to close up shots of robots fighting for the beginning and the end of the movie. The special effects might have been great, but if he's not going to pull back the camera a little so we can at least tell what's going on, then the special effects look garbled and like a pile of CGI'ed junk.

7) "I%u2019ve been a fan of Transformers since I was a child and I can only thank God for keeping that child inside me intact, unlike all these grumpy Old people who don%u2019t know how to enjoy a movie."

A lot of us have been Transformers fans since childhood, and do have the child inside us intact, but at the same time we love movies. We display our childlike wonder when a well done movie on a childhood subject is made like we've displayed with Iron Man and Spider-Man. You try to call us out as grumpy old people, but I'm not old and I'm not grumpy.

It takes more than just giant CGI'ed robots banging into each other to make a good movie. If you enjoyed it, that's great, but don't knock people for finding very valid reasons to not like a movie. We aren't hating on the movie, we're just being realistic, something that you are not doing.


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chris f.
chris f. writes:
on Jun 29 2009 12:08 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518506)
smartmoviekid, just so you know, some of the decepticons in the movie were constructicons, it just wasnt mentioned in the movie. That's why there was the human decepticon, because it was a constructicon. constructicons can take many different forms.

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whitey_mcwhite
whitey_mcwhite writes:
on Jun 29 2009 12:10 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518829)
Magic is Might: You aren't paying attention to what I'm saying. From the stand point of looking at the criteria that makes a good film, this is not a good film. If you enjoyed it, fine, that's cool, but fun does not equal good all the time. If you don't build up the characters how am I supposed to care when these characters fight to the death? There's no reason for me to root for one or the other, and I don't really feel it when they die. The movie was an incoherent mess, and even people who like the movie say they lowered their standards to enjoy the movie. That means it isn't a good film.

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whitey_mcwhite
whitey_mcwhite writes:
on Jun 29 2009 12:14 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518854)
Paints Hz Shirt Red: Yeah, I think the Bay train has been ridden enough. I can think of better directors, but I don't think anyone should have to lower their standards because of the director. I'll go into the movie and decide whether or not I like it based on it's own merits, not the collective work of a director or actor. (Although I can't say that I was able to separate this from the first Transformers which I thoroughly enjoyed despite it's issues. This one I just couldn't completely see past the issues.)

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Shipwreck1213
Shipwreck1213 writes:
on Jun 29 2009 12:20 PM

Here what I have to say, to be honest I did go see transformers and I do admit I did enjoyed it, but I think people here are really looking too much into it. For the fanboys: I too am a transformer fan, but the movie was not that great to say it was perfect, wonderful, etc, etc. People are entitled to their own opinions, if they didn't like to movie, they have right to not like it and voice their opinion. What kind of place would we be in if we are forced to like movies like Batman Forever and Batman and Robin in all it nipple glory. Thank God we have freedom of choice to see what we want to see and avoid what we don't want to see,... I am still traumatized by the whole Batman movies even now, probably for life LOL!! Thank God for the Dark Knight. But my point is critics and fans who didn't like to movie have a right to their opinion and just jumping on them because they didn't like it is just.....dumb. Now for the critics, hey lay off the guys who like it so much they praised about it, they too have a right to their opinion too. Now I am not a fan of Michael Bay, still remembered what he did to Pearl Harbor, but the movies was not that bad and I seen worst movies than that. Beside I alway felt like if you are not happy with the way someone does something, then why don't you just go to film school and learn about film making and then go out there and do a better job. Because until you do that and the film studio have Michael Bays to pay to direct their movies, you will probably get more of the same. So to everyone, go back to your corners, LOL!!!

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Matanuki
Matanuki writes:
on Jun 29 2009 12:20 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518887)
Seems a pretty fair assumption.

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Paints Hz Shirt Red
Paints Hz Shirt Red writes:
on Jun 29 2009 12:28 PM

@ whitey. i see where your coming from.i however liked it a little bit better than the first one, mainly because there were more robots and bay kinda pulled the camera back so we could see what was going on. but for me it was good fun. hey maybe you should see it when your a little more sober and you might find it less bring! haha jk. the last time i had a few drinks before a show was ang lees hulk. that was a long few hours dude.

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whitey_mcwhite
whitey_mcwhite writes:
on Jun 29 2009 12:46 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518935)
Paints Hz Shirt Red: Well, I wasn't bored, and I did find some enjoyment. I just figured it would be a good idea to have a few drinks to make the movie a bit more enjoyable where I wouldn't judge it as much as I normally would. Anyway, it didn't quite work the way I wanted it to! Some of the action shots were shot much better than the first one, like the forrest scene, but the opening action and the end action were shot too much in close up still. And even slightly inebriated I found the humor way too juvenile for my taste. I also have a tendency to be able to deal with annoying people in that state, but if I ran into anyone as annoying as Sam's roommate or the twins I would probably want to punch them in the face or just go home and avoid them at all costs.

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jaysix
jaysix writes:
on Jun 29 2009 01:25 PM

To everyone saying "They made the movie for fans of the Transformers cartoons", get real, most people posting in here are 12 years olds. Their parents were teenagers when Transformers was on TV in the 80's.



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Magic is Might
Magic is Might writes:
on Jun 29 2009 01:50 PM

So you are a 12 year old jaysix? I guess that makes sense because you are a joke.

Whitey you keep talking about the female decepticon as if they just left it alone, it was demolished. It served its point, the movie is not bad because you did not like the character. Here is the problem you THINK everyone had to lower their expectations, you THINK the plot was incoherent, you THINK the characters sucked, your OPINIONs are just that, quit acting like they are fact. The world has spoken and you have lost.


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Magic is Might
Magic is Might writes:
on Jun 29 2009 01:51 PM

I would rather have two good movies that are very entertaining than wait 10 years for a supposed epic film for it to only fail because the director has his head up his ***.

Mr. Butler you have failed, run along to go cry watching MILK.


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Magic is Might
Magic is Might writes:
on Jun 29 2009 01:53 PM

Whitey you are hating on the movie and you are hating on the people who like it. If people were entertained by the movie then it is good, you think otherwise but that is your OPINION, just like this is their OPINION. Why are you trying to convert others to your side? Why are you so offended by the fact that the majority of people liked the movie? God fanboys and haters ruin the world.

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ledawg1138
ledawg1138 writes:
on Jun 29 2009 01:53 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518971)
OH NO! It's the Captain of Team Loyalty! HE'S BACK!

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Joseph G.
Joseph G. writes:
on Jun 29 2009 02:03 PM

Michael Bay MUST be stopped!!!
1 Good fight with Optimus in the forest and the rest was pure TRASH!!
Sadly this kind of box office will keep the Transformers and all the potential for compelling story lines Hijacked by Bay. Effects are not enough anymore!!!


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Paints Hz Shirt Red
Paints Hz Shirt Red writes:
on Jun 29 2009 02:39 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518971)
were you talking about avatar?

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whitey_mcwhite
whitey_mcwhite writes:
on Jun 29 2009 03:21 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518990)
Paints Hz Shirt Red: Yeah, he's talking about Avatar. It's The Captain of Team Loyalty who created a new screen name because he got bounced by the moderators for his constant inappropriate language. I wonder how many times he's going to get kicked off this site before he realizes that no one wants him here. Oh well, I'll have to add Magic is Might to my list of handles not to talk to on here.

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Charles T.
Charles T. writes:
on Jun 29 2009 03:48 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518494)
You kidding me? Bay didn't make this movie for the fans. Sure he stuck a few things in there to shut the hardcore fans up! BUT! Two of the most popular Transformers of all time (Starscream & Soundwave, based on Wizard opinion polls)barely saw any screen time. Yeah it had more robots, but the human story continued to out weigh what the movie should have been about... TRANSFORMERS! Plus what's with the camera angles! The movie also failed to stay true to the characters, but only a few people noticed that because most of the other so-called fans are tag-a-longs who know nothing about the transformers universe. The character personalities in the first movie were pulled off nicely with room to make them acceptable to general audiences. They added the Starscream, Megatron conflict and I enjoyed that but Prime was on crack! We don't know who Jolt, Sideswipe, and Arcee are! AND THE TWINS RULED THE SCREEN! Why did Mudflap and Skids get more screen time than any other Transformer? AND OMG the plot holes! AND THE SCENES JUST JUMPED! Parts were missing! The makers of this movie simply used the name Transformers to sell tickets. No thought, no vision, nothing was in this movie. Not even an epic fight scene. I've been dying to see the sequel to Transformers and now that I have... I'm dead.

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Magic is Might
Magic is Might writes:
on Jun 29 2009 03:57 PM

Isnt this funny you have so called transformers fans say that the movie sucked, then you have so called transformers fans say that the movie is awesome. Do all transformers fans have to think alike? I can tell you that i am a real transformers fan and i liked it. So lets stop this BS argument. Oh and Whitey believe whatever you want but if you think because i am not a huge fan of Avatar that does not mean i am this Captain character. But i could tell from your posts that you are not the sharpest tool in the toolbox.

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ledawg1138
ledawg1138 writes:
on Jun 29 2009 04:30 PM

In reply to this comment (#2519053)
No one would say stuff like "this Captain character" unless they were guilty, my Captain.

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Magic is Might
Magic is Might writes:
on Jun 29 2009 04:40 PM

Oh yeah that is so conclusive, it must be true.

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Jimmy P.
Jimmy P. writes:
on Jun 29 2009 04:41 PM

It's plain and simple even the critics themselves are too dumb to see and supposedly they're the ones we should trust when reading reviews on movies?

Good movies bring in the cold hard cash and crappy ones are obviously box office bombs!

Seems that this movies isn't crappy as I've seen it twice already. Once at an IMAX which was amazing and one at the regular AMC.

Don't trust critics, they critique every single bit of the movie without ever putting themselves in the director's or audience's shoes. I'd like to see one crappy critic make a movie and become a box office hit. Maybe when hell freezes over?

Until then Michael Bay and his team should keep bringing out these incredible blockbusters as that is what the general mass enjoys!


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Magic is Might
Magic is Might writes:
on Jun 29 2009 05:05 PM

Box office results=quality of film is a very slippery slope there jimmy.

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jokerboy1991
jokerboy1991 writes:
on Jun 29 2009 05:55 PM

In reply to this comment (#2519091)
How do critics not put themselves in the shoe of an audience? They are an audience who loves movies and thats why they became critics. The only difference between a critic and you is that they have to write about the film. Also there have been critics who became directors- Francious Truffaut (400 Blows) and Jean-Luc Godard (Contempt) were once critics and when they became directors who made amazing films. So there has been former critics who became directors and they turned out some films that Bay can't touch... Also so if a movie doesn't make a lot of money then its not good? So I guess Fight Club, Donnie Darko, Sunshine, Grindhouse, King Kong (1933), and every other cult film is not good since they didn't make a lot of money.

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Magic is Might
Magic is Might writes:
on Jun 29 2009 06:03 PM

Critics sometimes act like their opinions are the word of god. Transformers proves that critics are not on the same plain as the average person. They are becoming obsolete.

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pangkz d.
pangkz d. writes:
on Jun 29 2009 06:28 PM

hey people especially self proclaimed critics! get lost, transformers will will reach milestone,and will be the in the elite top grosser of all time! just stay put and watch! maybe the movie didnt impress in the US (cause theres bunch of killjoy persons)but outside the US, Transformers II is kicking in the whole world! WE NEED ACTION HOLLYWOOD!, and the transformers delivered it well. The cast are great, megan fox d best!

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pangkz d.
pangkz d. writes:
on Jun 29 2009 06:31 PM

hey people especially self proclaimed critics! get lost, transformers will will reach milestone,and will be the in the elite top grosser of all time! just stay put and watch! maybe the movie didnt impress in the US (cause theres bunch of killjoy persons)but outside the US, Transformers II is kicking in the whole world! WE NEED ACTION HOLLYWOOD!, and the transformers delivered it well. The cast are great, megan fox d best!

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Ashron
Ashron writes:
on Jun 29 2009 06:31 PM

Yes, but isn't everyone a critic? Some people just manage to get paid for it. I'm not gonna rag on the people who liked the film, that's their right. And I'm not gonna argue whether it was a "good" movie by any real definition of that term, since it's an argument that can't be won, at least not over the web.

But I will say that, for myself, reading this debate has been more entertaining than Transformers 2 was.

And Magic is Might, you are the Captain of Team Loyalty, whether you'll admit it or not. Your speech patterns are the same and your thoughts run along the same line, although I must admit you're doing a pretty good job of holding back the bombast. Keep it up and people might actually start to take you seriously.


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ledawg1138
ledawg1138 writes:
on Jun 29 2009 08:06 PM

In reply to this comment (#2519162)
Maybe the Captain of Tema Loyalty died, and his evil spirit has taken over the poor dope that is Magic is Might.

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Bob S.
Bob S. writes:
on Jun 29 2009 11:43 PM

In reply to this comment (#2519215)
The world would be a better place, no doubt, without him than it is with him. But people, really, who else trolls as much as TheCaptain did? Yeah, it's him under a different name. It just goes to show that a leopard can't change his spots, you can't polish a turd, and a pathetic loser by any other name is still a pathetic loser.

Getting banned and being hated by pretty much everyone here wasn't enough of a clue for him to stay away. Says something about his character, doesn't it?


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Magic is Might
Magic is Might writes:
on Jun 30 2009 12:19 AM

Oh is that another ad hominem? You know what is pathetic, is a person who attacks others saying all the do is ad hominem attacks yet in EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HIS POSTS HE DOES WHAT HE CLAIMS OTHERS DO. What is pathetic is a dirty hypocrite that is so full of himself that he does not see how sad he truely is. Just remember that you say you do nothing but rational discourse well this is not rational discourse.

You also know what says a lot about a character is a person who has to attack people behind their backs. Captain is not here to protect themselves yet you attack and attack and attack. Then you call me a coward. You are the coward. You are a troll. It is official you cant have a rational discussion because all that you do is attack and attack then complain that others use ad hominems. Continue to show your lack of character. Man if i was your father i would be sick to my stomach.


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Elisha
Elisha writes:
on Jun 30 2009 03:16 AM

In reply to this comment (#2519335)
I laughed when I read this. Like, out loud.

Ah, this site wouldn't be nearly as entertaining without the Captain.


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whitey_mcwhite
whitey_mcwhite writes:
on Jun 30 2009 07:43 AM

In reply to this comment (#2519335)
Wow, if that's not a "Captain" comment I don't know what is! If you are not Captain, then you obviously were cut from the same cloth, both pencil thin characters like you get from a Michael Bay movie!

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Matanuki
Matanuki writes:
on Jun 30 2009 08:30 AM

In reply to this comment (#2519039)
Careful calling yourself a diehard Transformers fan if you don't know who Sideswipe, Jolt, and Arcee are. Besides that, I'm definitely on board with your contempt.

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Matanuki
Matanuki writes:
on Jun 30 2009 08:32 AM

In reply to this comment (#2519091)
That's gotta be the emptiest thing said on here since the good Captain's last comment.

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JAKEofMIDWORLD
JAKEofMIDWORLD writes:
on Jun 30 2009 10:00 AM

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?p=15721868#post15721868

Copy, paste, contribute

RIP: Captain



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TombstoneLawDog
TombstoneLawDog writes:
on Jun 30 2009 10:34 AM

I made my analysis of 'To Captain or Not to Captain' on another thread, so I won't repeat it, here.

My question does bear repeating:

HOW/WHY DID THEY FINALLY BAN MASCOT OF TEAMSTUPIDITY?

I was beginning to think he was sleeping with the editor('s dog), and was untouchable-- why else would such nonsense be tolerated for so long?

About the movie: looking forward to seeing it this weekend so I can join this furious debate.


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Ph1shy
Ph1shy writes:
on Jun 30 2009 12:47 PM

I saw Star Trek a third time instead of TF2. I regret nothing.

If I want to see this movie, I'll probably just pirate it.


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ledawg1138
ledawg1138 writes:
on Jun 30 2009 02:11 PM

In reply to this comment (#2519335)
Captain, you're so much more level headed! You still aren't socially acceptable, but one day you may be more of a human!

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tabascoman77
tabascoman77 writes:
on Jul 01 2009 01:29 PM

Well, well, well...if it isn't Aknddon3 AKA The Captain of Team Loyalty AKA Magic is Might...

...otherwise known as the infamous troll, Mr. Andrew Kruzel.

It IS you, Andrew. You're so easy to find each time you get banned. You keep giving yourself away, saying the same things all over again.

But it's the freakiest show, Andrew. I really don't care what you do anymore. You just make me laugh, no matter how many ID's you come up with. I find it ironic you chose one from Harry Potter, though, since you keep bashing it.


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whitey_mcwhite
whitey_mcwhite writes:
on Jul 01 2009 01:45 PM

In reply to this comment (#2520095)
tabascoman77: As Jake said on another thread, we have the Holy Trinity of Stupid. I think I'll just start calling him Andrew, that way I don't have to worry about the screenname of the week.

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Angel P.
Angel P. writes:
on Jul 01 2009 02:02 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518904)
Hey Whitey I totally understand what you say and I respect your opinion. All I really want is people to see is that this movie is not crap like many of you are saying and that let's say it at least deserves a better rating than freaking Terminator: salvation wich was a big piece of poop and got like 30 something %. also I'm totally happy that many people are supporting the fact that at least were given a transformers movie to look up to, because if you think about it you can take the bad things outta revenge of the fallen and you have a great movie. maybe you are not hating but many other people are instead of being grateful.

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tabascoman77
tabascoman77 writes:
on Jul 01 2009 02:16 PM

Oh, Whitey...you have NO idea how stupid Andrew is.

Just Google any of the names I listed above and cross reference them with Rotten Tomatoes.

Oh, man...watch the fun BLOOM.

There's actually a forum where a museum of quotes from his mouth have been recorded. They're so stupid-sounding, you can't even believe they're coming from an educated human being's mouth.


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RexLaboro
RexLaboro writes:
on Jul 01 2009 02:30 PM

In reply to this comment (#2518502)
I don't know about that. Whiplash looks like a homeless guy, Terrance Howard is gone and they're rehashing the concept of a villain with the same power source as Iron Man. We just watched an entire movie based on the chest piece and here they are doing it again.

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whitey_mcwhite
whitey_mcwhite writes:
on Jul 01 2009 03:18 PM

In reply to this comment (#2520122)
Angel P.: Thanks for the comments, I'm not hating, and if people enjoyed it, that's cool. It's just like I disagree with you on Terminator: Salvation, but I'm willing to look deeper into it to say that it's not that good of a movie, I just enjoyed it and I still maintain that it was better than Terminator 3. I think the same can be said of Transformers 2, I personally rated it 40% on here, which is better than the critics gave it. I unfortunately couldn't look past it's problems, and there were others as well. It's a somewhat enjoyable film in my book, but based on the technical side it's not a good film.

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whitey_mcwhite
whitey_mcwhite writes:
on Jul 01 2009 03:20 PM

In reply to this comment (#2520130)
tabascoman77: Dude, I'm definitely going to have to check that out. I would actually try to talk to MagicisMight since he toned down some of the issues, but then he started becoming the same old guy. I could have even dealt with the fact that he was Captain before with the way he originally came into the messages as Magic, but he shows his stupidity by not fessing up to it when everyone knows it's him.

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whitey_mcwhite
whitey_mcwhite writes:
on Jul 01 2009 04:51 PM

In reply to this comment (#2520130)
tobascoman77: So I was on another thread and I asked people to come up with a nickname that incorporated all of Andrew's screen names with his real name for something we can all call him. Well, here's what bigbrother came up with: Captain Andrew Don of Magic and Might! I love it!

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tabascoman77
tabascoman77 writes:
on Jul 02 2009 11:54 AM

HA! I love it! :)

You know it's funny when you mock him without mentioning his name and he goes, "Hey, don't make fun of Captain!"

We're like, "We never said who we were making fun of..."

It kills me because he's done it twice and we always catch him that way.

The best was when I learned his real name and he goes, "that's really sad...that's private information!"

I'm like...dude...you put your own info down on MySpace. That doesn't exactly make you anonymous anymore. LOL...

So, as retaliation, he goes trying to dig stuff up on me and I'm already laughing because I have nothing online I really care about. I thought maybe he would bring up a blog I once had where I discussed losing a job or losing my car or something that made me seem pathetic.

No.

He digs up my YouTube videos where I show people how to cook. He actually goes, "Your name is Matt and you like to cook Mexican food!"

As if I'm supposed to be pulling on my hair and dropping my jaw and screaming in fear like a character in a 50's monster movie. OMG! You found my secret! I like to COOK! NOOOOOOO!!! LOL...

Seriously! Dude actually thought that was something damaging to me.

I like Captain Andrew Don of Magic and Might! :) That is what he shall be known as.

Don't cross him or he will magically bring up the fact that you like...SPORTS!!! OH NO!!!

:D


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whitey_mcwhite
whitey_mcwhite writes:
on Jul 02 2009 01:55 PM

Well, at least he didn't bring up the fact that you like...MOVIES!!! There were two other ones, and I think I'm going to seemless use all of them: Candy an almagam of Captain and Andy, and makes him/ her seem gay (and you know how much he'll love that one, oh, and I'm also going to refer to him/ her and "him/ her" or "it"), and the other one was Captain Sack-Less. I love them all, and I'll just randomly switch them out. He probably switched screen names again now though since we all found him out right away.

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tabascoman77 writes:
on Jul 06 2009 01:55 PM

It wouldn't matter. You can disguise your appearance. You can't disguise being a dumbass. :)

He excels at that and, ironically, that's what he brags about being...only he really doesn't know it.


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