Since you left the Voice and David Ansen got bought out, a lot more people have been discussing the trend. Have you followed along?
NL: I'll admit, it was nice to see a certain amount of critical support around my being let go and the state of film criticism. It was also highly amusing to read some of the more hostile comments, like, "This is what you get for liking Southland Tales" -- that was my favorite. "This is what you deserve for picking Southland Tales as your favorite movie of the year!"
David Carr from the [New York] Times got in touch with me for a comment about a story he was writing. I couldn't at the time...I didn't decline to comment because I didn't want to say anything to him; it was just a delicate moment. At the same time, what is there to say? Newspapers are going to hell, there's no money, and we're in a recession. Things are going to get cut, and film critics are at the front of that line. Arts writing in general is considered dispensable. So I don't know if there is really much of a story to it.
At this point it seems people have identified the problem, but what's missing from the discussion are any solutions. Do you have any to offer?
NL: As many people have pointed out, there's no lack of film writing going on right now. There's more than there has ever been. The Internet has opened up huge areas of new writing, some of which is quite good, the majority of which is quite bad -- which I think is the same of print. I mean, it's really sad that all these film critics are losing their jobs, but I think most film criticism is terrible. And not useful. And frankly, really boring. I read very little of it, and find very little of it to be useful. So it's a shame that my colleagues are losing their jobs, but on the other hand I don't read many of them.
One of the underlying issues in all of this is...people are losing their jobs because of economic reasons, for the most part, but also film criticism - at least mainstream print criticism - is dominated by the Baby Boom generation and older. There's almost no one my age writing on a professional level at a major outlet. There's Scott Foundas in LA Weekly, there's Wesley Morris at the Boston Globe, very few. Very, very few. I think that's a little bit problematic.
Do you think that older critics are out of touch with most readers?
NL: I'm hesitant to make assumptions about the readers and what they're responding to. I just know that movies are going through a radical change, with the crossover from film to digital. And I don't know that the generation that dominates film writing can bring the same perspective and sensibility to bear.
Some people seem to think that the technological gap between older critics and younger audiences means they're out of touch with one another.
NL: They are out of touch; the flip side is I don't know how in touch the younger generation is. I was shocked at the hostility, for instance, at Southland Tales, which is a movie made by a director exactly my age, who's already made a classic of my generation -- the Rebel Without a Cause of my generation, Donnie Darko. He made this film that, you know, isn't perfect, but I think in a lot of ways speaks very directly to a generational sensibility -- and critics my age hated it, completely directed a hostility to it that I found shocking, so I don't know that there's necessarily a younger generation who 'gets it' better.
There are a lot of young writers who are committed to really serious cinema and write about it with a lot of passion, but also very little sense of humor, and sense of liveliness. There's this ardent righteousness to it, and this kind of old fashioned, auteurist bent to it. On the one hand you either have dry, serious cinephilia, or you have glib, snarky philistines. There seems to be no middle ground.
One of the things I tried to do in my writing was take movies very seriously, but have fun with it. Let it be lively, let it be jokey. Find a combination of that. So I don't know, I don't think the younger generation is the answer, either. We're doomed!
Next: On using the word "boner" in a review, and what he thinks of Anthony Lane and Ed Gonzales
![]() on Apr 23 2008 01:47 PM I really like him. I like how bold he was in defense of Southland Tales when it came out. (Reply to this) |
![]() on Apr 23 2008 02:16 PM I really enjoyed this. It was a surprisingly quick read and it sounds like Nathan is a pretty smooth talker as well! I didn't realize he a "whippersnapper" and appreciated his candid take on the state of the critic world. Some might disagree, but I like that he's not really a "film guy" by trade (in terms of education). (Reply to this) |
![]() on Apr 23 2008 02:17 PM *he WAS a "whippersnapper" :) (Reply to this) |
![]() on Apr 23 2008 02:45 PM Good piece, Jen. (Reply to this) |
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on Apr 23 2008 03:06 PM Much better than the first installment, in which he came of as a snarky apathetic putz. Should have just combined the two. Or just not run the first part, since he obviously didn't want to actually answer any of the questions asked. (Reply to this) |
![]() on Apr 23 2008 03:14 PM Point taken, minderbinder. We started this column as a fun feature (having critics answer those non-filmy color questions) but I enjoy the actual conversations we have with them more. Would you be interested to read this (Part 2) as the main Meet a Critic feature instead? (Reply to this) |
![]() on Apr 23 2008 03:36 PM Southland Tales is a great movie and anyone who thinks otherwise sucks. (Reply to this) |
![]() on Apr 23 2008 03:58 PM Huh. I had no idea how BC would react to this week's Meet a Critic, but I am pleasantly surprised! Thank goodness for Southland Tales! (Reply to this) |
![]() on Apr 23 2008 06:09 PM Yeah, great interview, Jen. I like the new quotes and next page teasers too :) (Reply to this) |
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on Apr 23 2008 06:55 PM i dont read reviews anymore. i just go on RT, see the percentage, and than go or not. (Reply to this) |
![]() on Apr 23 2008 07:44 PM Next time I'm being more pointlessly pessimistic. (Reply to this) |
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on Apr 23 2008 10:04 PM Jen; DEFINITELY a better interview than the first installment! More informative, and this time Lee didn't come across as a jackass. Well done! Glad to see you're back from your brief stint at OK magazine! ;-) (Reply to this) |
![]() on Apr 23 2008 11:16 PM Thanks, thereign; the simple difference between the two pieces was that the first was our mostly standard questionnaire, and this was taken from an actual conversation. I think going forth I'll focus more on this type of discussion, since we get so much more out of it and in better depth. Thanks! (Reply to this) |
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on Apr 23 2008 11:51 PM Nice, Jen. I dig. (Reply to this) |
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on Apr 24 2008 10:20 AM an entertaining guy... why would they can him? Must have ****ed the boss's wife. (Reply to this) |
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on Apr 24 2008 02:44 PM Great Interview. (Reply to this) |
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on May 13 2008 12:40 PM Glen Kenny can most definitely suck your balls, Nathan. What's really astounding is that he feels he's on some higher ground, when really he's a middlebrow critic with questionable insight. Keep on writing pal, I don't know what I'd do without you. (Reply to this) |
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