12 Angry Men (1957)
90%Well, I'll be god damned. A 1957 movie about twelve sweaty guys stuck in a room and arguing for 97 minutes and I like it! Great performances, interesting photography... More
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Well, I'll be god damned. A 1957 movie about twelve sweaty guys stuck in a room and arguing for 97 minutes and I like it! Great performances, interesting photography... More
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EvilShoe Cares on 9/2/05 at 5:33 AM
The Polish version of Maxim is funny and sad at the same time.
I'm so happily depressed right now.
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Heist on 9/2/05 at 6:28 AM
Whuzu? And you've only seen the babes, there's a part in it where they analyze the different shapes of penises.
That's mighty gay if you ask me.
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EvilShoe Cares on 9/2/05 at 7:40 AM
I'm talking about the skanks sending naked pictures of themselves in the hopes of being discovered one day.
Those are the saddest boobies in the world.
:(
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Heist on 9/2/05 at 8:48 AM
Yet at the same time you can't help but laugh. I think I understand what you meant now.
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crossapply on 9/8/05 at 4:36 PM
I hate good performancese too. They really ought to stop giving out oscars...it just makes these good actors try too hard.
/sarcasm
?????? I bet if you added another sentence to your reaction to The Apartment, I might be able to understand it. As is, you seem to be complaining about quality?
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Heist on 9/8/05 at 5:58 PM
What I'm saying is that too often are the classics movies with great performances, but not much else. It's not that I despise the art of performing as much as I find to be of little importance compared to writing, scoring and directing (well, the part of directing that doesn't involve directing actors around) and when a movie that is considered a classic offers to me very little in those other fields of filmmaking, then I tend to be dissapointed.
The Apartment had a great performance by Jack Lemmon, the rest of the cast was decent. The writing was usually witty and snappy, but only Jack Lemmon pulled off his dialogues accordingly. But what else is there to it? From a directing/scoring point of view, the film offered very little.
If this movie was released today, it would be Pirates of the Caribbean, and no one calls PotC a classic.
It's a good thing I don't write that shit in the forums, I'd probably get flogged.
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crossapply on 9/9/05 at 10:21 AM
In this case, I think the collective (the forum) may be right.
I don't want to suggest that because something is classic, you have to like it (though I am on the record as to how I feel*); however, I will suggest that what makes this movie a classic is that the story goes deeper than its romantic comedy foundation and flirts ever so closely to tragedy. This tragi-comic negotiation results in the witty lines but also poignant ones.
*http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/journal_view.php?journalid=50299&entryid=53399&view=public
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Heist on 9/9/05 at 12:18 PM
You see, that's exactly why I didn't think it was all that. I didn't feel as if it went deeper and flirted with tragedy, to me, it became this melodramatic comedy.
What I mean by that is that even if at some point during the story tragic events happen, they are treated so lightly and with so small consequences that it minimizes the importance of these events and renders them insignificant, thus side-stepping an opportunity to be more than a comedy.
And don't think that I actually want the movie to be more than a comedy, but it's just once the girl tries to commit suicide, the movies' tone changes as if it was to become more serious, but without actually saying anything. It goes straight into a one-way love story and not a particularly interesting one, partially because of Shirley MacLaine's mediocre performance. I had a blast during the first part, when the movie was happy with being a comedy.
I had read your review around the time you posted it, but maybe it's because I've done it too much before, but now I rarely ever start an argument with anyone I disagree with.
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